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[Empoleon8771]

Some actual news here.

 

[Shady Machine]

Aaron Rodgers had one word for all Penguins fan worrying about 3rd line center.....RELAX

For love of the god people were coming off back to back champships, yet so many here want to trade half the roster for some overrated jabroni named like Matt Duchesne, who many here think of second coming of Ron Francis the way people here talk about him.

And thought of Kessel, Guentzel, Rust or Wilson playing Center and people act like the Pens will miss the playoffs and win 20 games. I really hope Sprong lights it up in training camp and our top 9 has 7 wingers and 2 centers and our top 9 is something like this.

Sheary-Crosby-Sprong
Rust-Malkin-Kessel
Hagelin-Guentzel-Hornqvist

Guentzel-Crosby-Sheary
Hagelin-Malkin-Sprong
Rust-Kessel-Hornqvist

Guentzel-Crosby-Hornqvist
Sheary-Malkin-Kessel
Hagelin-Rust-Sprong

Then right before the trading deadline the Pens can get some 3rd line center who does the who the whole " corsi, intangibles, 200 foot game, defensive zone faceoffs, and the other nerd stuff" that you hockey hipsters get a little too excited about.

haha yeah guys chill out and just play wingers at the center position. problem SOLVED.

 

[Shady Machine]

Some actual news here.

Well the headline is interesting. I just spent my 4 dollars on a latte so I can't sign up to read it

 

[Empoleon8771]

Well the headline is interesting. I just spent my 4 dollars on a latte so I can't sign up to read it

I feel like the title is really all you need to get the gist of the article

 

[ColePens]

Some actual news here.

Good news, at that. He's one of the guys I really think we need to keep on the team. So few teams have the garbage goal type guys and he does it at big times. He and Kessel brought 2 things we just flat out didn't have for a good while. Kessel with his elite scoring ability to provide scoring outside of Sid/Geno and Hornqvist brought that net front presence we lacked.

If he slows down later, oh well. **** happens. Staying away from the Daley/Hainsey/Bonino deals have helped us prepare to make offers to those guys we cannot be without. I am on the side of the argument where I feel Hornqvist is one of those guys. It would be so insanely difficult to replace him as replacing Bones, IMO, isn't as difficult.

 

[Dying Alive]

Definitely good news, hopefully it's done sooner rather than later and the cap hit is reasonable.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

My only problem with Hornqvist is his age the and the style he plays. Will he turn 31 by the time he goes UFA? I wouldn't give him over 4 years, ideally 3 years. I 100% want him resigned, its just the term I am concerned with.

 

[Ogrezilla]

And that's with a nagging injury for part of his games played iirc. It's not about the calibre of player he is because he is that elite #1, it's about how fragile he is and that you'd expect the injuries to take a toll eventually.

It's certainly something that could happen. But I was replying to someone saying he isn't the player he used to be.

 

[cheesedanish87]

The quotes i read from JR in that article and the headline from Yohe seemed kind of misleading.

Seems like JR is just saying what you expect any GM to say about Horny and Cole, i definitely didn't get the feel that hes considering signing either one of them anytime soon.

 

[Jenkins]

Would love to have Hornqvist re signed. Love watching him play.

 

[Peat]

The quotes i read from JR in that article and the headline from Yohe seemed kind of misleading.

Seems like JR is just saying what you expect any GM to say about Horny and Cole, i definitely didn't get the feel that hes considering signing either one of them anytime soon.

Can someone post his exact quotes?

 

[Shady Machine]

My only problem with Hornqvist is his age the and the style he plays. Will he turn 31 by the time he goes UFA? I wouldn't give him over 4 years, ideally 3 years. I 100% want him resigned, its just the term I am concerned with.

I doubt you get him for 4 years and definitely not 3.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Good news, at that. He's one of the guys I really think we need to keep on the team. So few teams have the garbage goal type guys and he does it at big times. He and Kessel brought 2 things we just flat out didn't have for a good while. Kessel with his elite scoring ability to provide scoring outside of Sid/Geno and Hornqvist brought that net front presence we lacked.

If he slows down later, oh well. **** happens. Staying away from the Daley/Hainsey/Bonino deals have helped us prepare to make offers to those guys we cannot be without. I am on the side of the argument where I feel Hornqvist is one of those guys. It would be so insanely difficult to replace him as replacing Bones, IMO, isn't as difficult.

Honestly, if another lockout is coming and lbr it is then there will almost for sure be compliance buyouts. It could workout well with a Hornqvist extension.

It's certainly something that could happen. But I was replying to someone saying he isn't the player he used to be.

Yeah, I saw that and it was bizarre. What I was getting at is maybe he won't be the same after this injury but the last we saw of him he was still elite when he was dealing with the neck. To say he wasn't elite is a ridiculous argument when there's already the big worry with Letang's future play.

 

[Riptide]

Some actual news here.

Not really. JR said he's been thinking about it (new deal) a little bit, but that he's "certainly not going to deal with it this month". Rutherford also acknowledges where the depth lies and what/where their future is (I assume he's talking about Sprong and ZAR, but no names were named).

Seems to be nothing more then what any of us would do... should we? Can we afford it? Can we afford not to? bla bla bla.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

I doubt you get him for 4 years and definitely not 3.

In reality I do not believe you can get him for 3 years ether, would LOVE that, but I doubt it. I think 4 years would get him, it would take him to 34/35. I most certainly wouldn't give him over 5, absolute all in on term would be 5 years with him. At least IMO.

 

[Shady Machine]

In reality I do not believe you can get him for 3 years ether, would LOVE that, but I doubt it. I think 4 years would get him, it would take him to 34/35. I most certainly wouldn't give him over 5, absolute all in on term would be 5 years with him. At least IMO.

I think it takes 5 years and while 4 is what I'd like, I may bend the rules a bit to get him signed. I think someone is giving him 5 so the Pens may have to match term, but could get the dollars down a bit to do so.

 

[chethejet]

If you sign him then the Pens have to eventually move someone for financial moves. I have suggested Kessel after the next couple of years would be tradeable at an average 5.1 million AAV.

 

[Riptide]

If you sign him then the Pens have to eventually move someone for financial moves. I have suggested Kessel after the next couple of years would be tradeable at an average 5.1 million AAV.

Pittsburgh isn't going to retain 1.7m on Kessel to trade him to one of 8 teams.

 

[PensandCaps]

You don't trade Kessel to keep Hornqvist around...Kessel is way more valuable

 

[ColePens]

You don't trade Kessel to keep Hornqvist around...Kessel is way more valuable

This post doesn't make much sense. Of course Phil is dynamic. Of course Hornqvist's skill is needed. But the two are not 1 for 1 here. If down the road Phil's money is needed, it's for Murray/Guentzel/etc. But we aren't anywhere near that right now so no rush. Same goes for Horny. IF that style of play is something we could bring up from WBS (doubt it being that there are like 5 guys who play this style in the entire NHL now), then Horny's trade/buyout(vabm8's thought)/etc. are to go to making sure Guentzel/Murray/etc. are here for a looooonnnnnnng time.

 

[SEALBound]

It would be a disaster to sign Horny to a med-length, mid-salary deal.

Term or money. Pick one Pat.

1-2yr x $4.5mil+

or

3+ yrs x $3mil.

If he falls off a cliff, which many who play his style do, he can't become a cap anchor. I worry. 31 is not the ideal age to have to resign someone like him.

5yr x $5mil? Disaster written all over it.

 

[PensandCaps]

This post doesn't make much sense. Of course Phil is dynamic. Of course Hornqvist's skill is needed. But the two are not 1 for 1 here. If down the road Phil's money is needed, it's for Murray/Guentzel/etc. But we aren't anywhere near that right now so no rush. Same goes for Horny. IF that style of play is something we could bring up from WBS (doubt it being that there are like 5 guys who play this style in the entire NHL now), then Horny's trade/buyout(vabm8's thought)/etc. are to go to making sure Guentzel/Murray/etc. are here for a looooonnnnnnng time.

I know. Just responding to the post saying that the pens would have to move Kessel if they extened Hornqvist. You keep Kessel over Hornqvist 10 out of 10 times.

 

[Shady Machine]

It would be a disaster to sign Horny to a med-length, mid-salary deal.

Term or money. Pick one Pat.

1-2yr x $4.5mil+

or

3+ yrs x $3mil.

If he falls off a cliff, which many who play his style do, he can't become a cap anchor. I worry. 31 is not the ideal age to have to resign someone like him.

5yr x $5mil? Disaster written all over it.

You have an interesting view of disasters if you think a 4-5 year deal at 4.5MM is one.

5x5 is too rich for me, but I don't think it will take that.

What is the Penguins window? In my view, it's the next 1-4 years. Will Hornqvist still be a very valuable player during that period of time? I think the answer is absolutely yes. So if it takes taking on an extra year and we don't give a restrictive NTC, then I definitely do it. At worst, you buy him out in the last year but I doubt that will be necessary.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

May as well talk about moving Hagelin to 3C.

 

[Ogrezilla]

It would be a disaster to sign Horny to a med-length, mid-salary deal.

Term or money. Pick one Pat.

1-2yr x $4.5mil+

or

3+ yrs x $3mil.

If he falls off a cliff, which many who play his style do, he can't become a cap anchor. I worry. 31 is not the ideal age to have to resign someone like him.

5yr x $5mil? Disaster written all over it.

He's getting closer to 5x5 than either of those other deals. Either would be almost insultingly low to offer him. I'll be shocked if he goes under 4m regardless of length. And I'd expect him to cost near 6 for anything short term.