Confirmed with Link: Ron Hextall fired as Exec VP/GM, Presser Tue 11/27 11am: Part 2

[GKJ]

Continue from Part 1, including speculation of new candidates

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[justafan22]

Would Pridham from toronto be a candidate?

 

[Flyers Faithful]

I would really like to see Pronger get a shot at it, but if it went wrong idk if I could handle that.

 

[deadhead]

xxx
Don't know how much was Homer, how much was Snider, how much was the money.
However, Holmgren was definitely "hyperactive" when it came to trading, and definitely didn't value draft picks:

2/15/07 Parent, Upshall, 2007 1st, 2007 3rd for Forsberg
2/15/07 Coburn for Zhitnik
2/27/07 Biron for 2007 2nd (used on Brennan)
6/18/07 Hartnell, Kimmo for 2007 1st [basically right to sign them]
7/1/07 Lupul & J Smith for Pitkanen, 2009 3rd
2/25/08 Prospal for Picard, 2009 2nd
6/20/08 2008 1st, 2008 3rd for Umberger, 2008 4th
6/20/08 Eminger, 2008 3rd for 2008 1st
7/1/08 Hersley, Lukacevic for 2010 2nd
10/13/08 Albert & 2009 4th for Lukacevic
11/7/08 Carl & 2009 3rd for Downie, Eminger, 2009 4th
3/4/09 Carcillo for Uphsall, 2011 2nd
6/26/09 Pronger for Lupul, Sbisa, 2009 1st, 2010 1st
7/1/10 Meszaros for 2012 2nd
2/14/11 Versteeg for 2011 1st, 2011 3rd
6/7/11 rights to Bryz for Clackson, 2011 3rd

Confused Holmgren, am I rebuilding, reloading or just shuffling the deck?
6/23/11 Simmonds, B Schenn, 2012 2nd for Richards
6/23/11 Voracek, 2011 1st, 2011 3rd for Carter
6/27/11 2013 3rd for Powe
7/1/11 2012 2nd, 2012 3rd for Versteeg
2/16/12 Grossman for 2012 2nd, 2013 3rd
2/18/12 Kubina for Kalinski, 2013 2nd, 2013 3rd
6/22/12 2012 2nd, 2012 4th, 2013 4th for Bob
6/23/12 L Schenn for JVR
4/3/13 Mason for Leighton, 2015 3rd
6/12/13 Streit for 2014 4th
3/4/14 MacDonald for 2014 3rd, 2015 2nd
3/5/14 2014 3rd for Maszaros

 

[Tripod]

Since I just posted this, something to look at...Hextall's tenure:

Since Hextall took over:
Year 1&2
Traded Hartnell for Umberger+4th(Wagner flipped for Vorobyev+Salintri…who was not signed)
Traded McGinn for a 3rd(Sandstrom)…McGinn waived by SJ months later
Signed MDZ
Signed Schultz
Signed White
Signed Bellemare
Signed VDV
Traded Coburn for 1st, 3rd(Tomek) + Gudas=Got Konecky by moving up
Traded Timonen for 2 2nd rounders=fantastic value, used 1 pick to move up for Konecny, the other for Allison
Signed Danick Martel for free=QMJHL 2nd leading scorer...worth a shot…later lost to waivers
Traded Rinaldo for 3rd(Ustimenko) Rinaldo later waived
Traded Grossmann + Pronger for Gagner + 4th(traded to NYI for 4th in 2017…then used in package for Ratcliffe)
Signed Medvedev=a good KHL player for free…didn't work out
Signed Neuvirth for free=shored up the backup G situation for the next 2 years then resigned for 2 more years
Fired Berube…Flyers fans rejoice
Hired Hakstol
Signed Marti
Signed Bardreau
Signed undrafted 6'5 RHD Philip Myers for free…QMJHL All Star 2016, WJC as well
Traded Vinny and LSchenn for Weal + 3rd(Twarynski)
Signed top College FA G Lyon for free
Added Goalie Coach Brady Robinson
Added AHL coach Scott Gordon
Oversaw 2 drafts and had these 7 guys at the WJC this year(2015/16):
Provorov: named CHL Dman of the year…now in NHL
Sanheim: highest PPG in the WHL in 20 years for a Dman, Now in NHL
Konecny: great draft+1 season…now in NHL
Lindblom: highest scoring U20 in SHL, SHL Forward of the year, now in NHL
Fazleev: over PPG in WHL, now in AHL
Sandstrom: made WJC multiple times, Named top Goalie at WJC…still in SHL
Kase: Over PPG in MH...made WJC multiple times…now in AHL
Plus drafted:
Aube Kubel: over PPG in QMJHL…now in AHL…top ES scorer
Friedman: WCHA All Star Dman…now in AHL
Tomek: injured all season, made WJC…now in USHL
Dove McFalls: poor pick...not signed
Vorobyov: Was #1C at WJC for Russia….now in AHL
Marody:traded for a 3rd in 2019
Fedotov: long term G prospect…in VHL
Pettersson: played in AHL, then back to SHL
Year 3
Drafted in 2016:
Rubstov: made WJC….now in AHL
Laberge: CHL All Star Game MVP…not playing to expectations…AHL?
Hart: 2 time CHL goalie of the Year….WJC goalie and gold winner…AHL
Allison: USHL Playoff MVP, great start to season, got hurt…college again
Twarynski: great season…AHL
Bunnaman: Captain Dave Poulin's obsession
Hogberg: SHL regular, WJC player
Laczynski: Made WJC, had great season…college again
Salinitri: not signed
Bernhardt: Made WJC, SHL regular
Signed Weise
Signed Gordo…waived
Added Huffman to handle the D in AHL
Signed AHL players in Brennan, O'Neill, and Miele
Signed Lyubimov…did not work out
Traded Streit for Filppula+4th(Sushko)+7th(Kalynuk)
Signed Vecchione as a UFA College player, in AHL
Named Kris Knoblauch assistant coach
Year 4
Traded Cousins+Madsen for Warren+5th(Wylie)
Traded B Schenn for 2 1st rounders-Frost+ 1st(Farabee)
Re-Signed Weal
Re-signed Neuvirth
Signed Elliott
Signed Varone for AHL
Signed Irving then traded him for Tokarski
Drafted in 2017:
Patrick: Now in NHL
Frost: tore up the OHL
Ratcliffe: Traded 3 picks for him: Westerlund+Schnarr+Hoefenmayer
Ustimenko: good MHL season
Strome: over PPG in OHL
Sushko: PPG in OHL
Cates: good USHL season
Lycksell: good SHL season
Kalynuk: good college season
Traded 3rd in 2018(Seth Barton) for Mrazek
Claimed Oduya off waivers while losing Alt to waivers
Year 5
Drafted in 2018
Farabee
O'Brien
Ginning
St.Ivany
Wylie
Ersson
Hain
Westfalt
Signed JVR
Signed Folin
Signed Zumula
Nov 26th Hextall Fired

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[Jtown]

pronger and q

yzerman and q

yzerman pronger and q

yzerman pronger q and sutter


ill take any combo.

 

[Van Buren Boy]

That wasn't the original argument.

I was clarifying the point that Hextall had no room to maneuver for the first couple seasons.
I was responding to someone who seemed to infer otherwise.

I get it, you're not a Hextall fan but take things in their proper context

I was an Hextall fan and i loved what he did when he first took over. It was a breath of fresh air. Unfortunately he is sticking to that same mantra he had 5 years ago. The roster is somewhat different, the farm is different, cap space now exists yet the team is just as mediocre as it was 5 years ago.

 

[Striiker]

@phil162888

This might literally be the dumbest thing I've read in my life.

 

[Icedog2735]

(Not sure if this posted in Thread #1 before the cutoff to the new one) Wouldn't it be some form of irony if tomorrow night we see Hak letting the young kids go, Sanheim et. al's minutes go way up, we see the older vet duds stapled to the bench ... essentially all of the faults we've had of Dave, go away, because maybe he was just doing Hexy's bidding .... wishful thinking haha!

 

[kudymen]

The first thread cost me dinner... now I am hungry AND Jeff is still here

 

[Flyers Faithful]

No matter what your opinion of Homer is, I think we can all agree that he has some of the biggest balls in the hockey world.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

@phil162888

This might literally be the dumbest thing I've read in my life.

 

[Jtown]

(Not sure if this posted in Thread #1 before the cutoff to the new one) Wouldn't it be some form of irony if tomorrow night we see Hak letting the young kids go, Sanheim et. al's minutes go way up, we see the older vet duds stapled to the bench ... essentially all of the faults we've had of Dave, go away, because maybe he was just doing Hexy's bidding .... wishful thinking haha!

that would be a total mind f*** and it would make so many posters on here look bad, and deadhead would be promoted to owner of hfboards.

 

[Jtown]

No matter what your opinion of Homer is, I think we can all agree that he has some of the biggest balls in the hockey world.

him and pederson, and foles.

 

[Brayden Fattison]

pronger and q

yzerman and q

yzerman pronger and q

yzerman pronger q and sutter


ill take any combo.

Too bad you're getting Pryor and Hak/Gordon.

 

[Tripod]

xxx
Don't know how much was Homer, how much was Snider, how much was the money.
However, Holmgren was definitely "hyperactive" when it came to trading, and definitely didn't value draft picks:

Dead, you have to remember that Homer was also GM under an aging Snider who wanted a cup win before his death. Yes they sacrificed picks for wasted bandaids that hurt us in the later years, but Ed certainly had a big hand in that.

 

[kudymen]

@phil162888

This might literally be the dumbest thing I've read in my life.

We can read your mind, dont you deny it

 

[magnumpi]

I was an Hextall fan and i loved what he did when he first took over. It was a breath of fresh air. Unfortunately he is sticking to that same mantra he had 5 years ago. The roster is somewhat different, the farm is different, cap space now exists yet the team is just as mediocre as it was 5 years ago.

Frankly, I think one of the mistakes he made was not tanking from the beginning. I would have traded Vorachek and simmonds, yielding a good haul.
I would have kept Giroux.

And by this point, the team would have been more likely to take off.

 

[GKJ]

One thing about the drafting, which was mentioned at the Town Hall meeting, (this was part of a question I asked him myself) is that part of Hextall's ethos with prospects is that they grow up in the organization and feel committed to this process. Guys who come in (I think the term he used was 'passing by') for the short term are doing just that, and are less likely to feel invested in the success of the team.

 

[CapnZin]

Ladies and Gents.... the first move post-Hextall era.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

@phil162888

This might literally be the dumbest thing I've read in my life.

What's wrong with that? You've spewed your pro-Hakstol and Weal drivel for years. We're tired of it.

 

[Rebels57]

Most likely letting the new GM whoever that is fire Hak.

It's a bit strange to me.

It does suggest that Hakstol was not the reason Hextall was fired. There is no reason they have to wait for the new GM to fire Hakstol. We have seen GMs and coachs fired at the same time before.

It would have more sense to fire both then let the new GM hire his own staff. If you need an interim in the meantime, no big deal.

Based on what has happened and what we know, it seems like Hextall was fired for other reasons (complacency, goaltending, who knows) and they are going to let the next GM decide if he wants to keep Hak. That's really bad if so, because the next GM may want to give him the rest of the season.

 

[Jtown]

Too bad you're getting Pryor and Hak/Gordon.

ill take it i like pryor

 

[Phileeguy]

He was the best "just sit down after a long day and watch with no trouble on your mind" host I have watched in my late teens, early twenties

It's because it was refreshing compared to the other late night shows who got formulaic and played it safe to try and keep a large audience to rake in sponsor cash. His show reminded me of early Letterman and Conan, but the main difference being that he never changed to try to appeal to a larger audience as his show gained traction, and was arguably the most authentic show. If anything he got more wacky and irreverent to the late night standard fare. Which is why I believe were he to take over for Letterman at the 11:35 slot it would have never worked.

 

[Cootsfanclub]

Too bad you're getting Pryor and Hak/Gordon.

Pryor is very good at what he does now, he's got a good eye for talent evaluation.