Kamiccolo
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I know I will get roasted alive for this, but Josi is very over rated on HFboards. He's a good offensive D but his defense gets very over rated, just overall. Top 5 D? Come on,
I know I will get roasted alive for this, but Josi is very over rated on HFboards. He's a good offensive D but his defense gets very over rated, just overall. Top 5 D? Come on,
Since when do we know anything?
Sure. I sure as hell hope Preds give him that contract. Will be fun seeing Mack and Mikko abuse him for years.
This is the key to me. I don't necessarily begrudge him a $9M+ AAV and a little payback for being on such a bargain contract the last 7 years. But if the AAV is going that high, then the term has to go lower to compensate. If the AAV is that high, I stop at 5 or 6 years as the term. He'll be 30 when this deal starts. Paying him a $9M+ AAV when he's 36,37,38 is not going to be smart.The AAV makes sense, the term is what will make this deal interesting.
If he secures an 8 year deal at that kind of term that will be ugly towards the back half of the deal.
I think he's just kind of "liked" for seeming to be a "nice guy"... I haven't seen a lot of people really dig too deep on his actual performance. He has mostly been non-controversial, non-threatening, while putting up good numbers and getting an "underrated" tag for playing in the shadows of a few bigger name D over the years.I know I will get roasted alive for this, but Josi is very over rated on HFboards. He's a good offensive D but his defense gets very over rated, just overall. Top 5 D? Come on,
I think he's just kind of "liked" for seeming to be a "nice guy"... I haven't seen a lot of people really dig too deep on his actual performance. He has mostly been non-controversial, non-threatening, while putting up good numbers and getting an "underrated" tag for playing in the shadows of a few bigger name D over the years.
But it's true that defense is not his strong suit. He does bring some value in the transitional sense of the best defense being a good offense. And he doesn't really have a penchant for glaring mistakes or giveaways or total brainfarts like some offensive D do. But he does get trapped up ice, or stuck being ineffective playing down low against some of those teams with big top lines in our division. The last couple playoffs I think there were some big lines on Colorado, Winnipeg, and Dallas that really manhandled his D pair with Ellis. There is absolutely no question that Ekholm and Subban are both better defensive zone players than Josi is. I don't think many Preds fans debate that. I don't think it takes away from his value or leaves him being overrated by us either, though. He is what he is, and that's still very good overall, and still worth the numbers generally being thrown around in this thread.
100% I am not trying to imply he is a bad player in the slightest, he would be a great addition to any blueline. My comment was more that I always seem to read that Josi is a top 5 D and all of this stuff, and read it again in this thread, and just felt it was the appropriate place to vent.
Every time I watched the Preds, I would watch Josi and wait to see his game. And he, like you said, is a good dman, a modern dman. I just never caught any sort of dominant defensive game from him. And at first I thought I just caught a bad game, but over time, especially last season when I caught more of their games than usual, I was just like.. Wow this dude is over rated.
So 100% not trying to take a **** on him or your team, just had to be said I guess. Used to read the same thing about OEL how he was as good defensively as offensively and wonder if people watched him play.
You're absolutely wrong and it's ok to admit it.
What a team player, that Josi is.
Hey, I hope the guy gets paid, but he isn't worth $9M. The hype around certain players is crazy.
What boggles the mind is how you came to type a paragraph where every single sentence is wrong...which I guess some of the opinions might be up for debate but to be so clearly incorrect by so very much on the rest is astounding.No he isn't. Like not even close. I have no idea why Josi has this amazing reputation here. Guy can't defend and it's not that he is EK offensively. 10mil for him is just so absurd it boggles the mind.