Robbie Schremp vs Patty O'Sullivan

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Ever notice how the ones that always try and condescend by calling other people words like "kid" or "bub" are always the ones that get owned?
i got PWNED? how so? what are you gonna say next? i was blabbing until i got served? :speechles :speechles :speechles
 

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O'Sullivan at one point was (-43) so how can you say that he is better defensively than Robbie Scremp. -43 is a friggin huge minus rating. Yet over the years has improved his defense and he's at a reliable +9. Good for him, i like Pat. But not as much as Robbie Schremp.

Let's not overlook the fact that the -43 was accumulated on the old Don Cherry Ice Dogs that barely knew how to play hockey. The early Ice Dog teams were putrid. As soon as the team was competitive O'Sullivan posted respectable +/- ratings.

I won't argue the defensive merits of either player but using that -43 stat is more than just a little misleading.
 

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IMO, +/- is a bad stat to use if you're trying to justify defensive capabilities. Especially if you're not looking at the rest of the +/- on the line, and the team as a whole. It doesn't relate nicely to skill in any way.
 

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Robbie plays on a good team and his stats are obviously benefiting from that.
 

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I'll go with Schremp but I wouldn't be surprised if BOTH these players bust despite their insane amount of ability. Just a hunch, nothing more.
 

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Reilly311 said:
Robbie plays on a good team and his stats are obviously benefiting from that.
While O' Sullivan is the go to go guy on his team? We can go back and forth on this.

Fact of the matter is O' Sullivan has a year or so on Schremp and frankly hasn't shown he's a better player this season. Obviously it could go either way, but a better indication on where they stand will be when both players play in the AHL where there isn't any real dominate teams.

Schremp has time to work on his skating and or defence, and O' Sullivan on the offensive side of the game, although you can't teach him to be a better offensive player(you have it or you don't) he can still improve his hockey sense in that area.
 

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1.5 years age difference is a big difference at this age IMO, so I'd have to put Schremp a little ahead at the moment. Having said that Schremps speed may be taought... but it may not.
 

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Jacobv2 said:
So Schremp is going to be taught to be a good skater, and be taught to also be a good defensive player? Geeze, he's going to be a pretty busy guy. Meanwhile, I guess O'Sullivan won't be improving on anything at all, huh? If Schremp can be taught to skate well and be perfect in his own zone, O'Sullivan should have no problem learning how to be a better offensive player than Schremp, right?

You are missing his point from the very beginning. Things like skating and defensive awareness are things that can and are taught regularly to young players. Offensive instinct and vision is a completely different monster that some are born with or without, some good and some much better. Schremp, I feel, has a much better offensive game than O'Sullivan.

Skatingwise, I don't believe the bull about Robbie. Cheechoo's knock before stepping on NHL ice was his skating is horrible (still is), he'll never be able to to contribute because of the speed of players now. Seems to be doing alright for himself and I wouldn't trade him for 99% percent of the league's players. Given the right drive a player can overcome an obstacle like that. That's one question you can have on Schremp (or jsut about any prospect): does he have the drive?

Another thing to consider is how well his offensive game will translate into his NHL team? If Schremp was playing for the Wild then maybe I'd be worried about his icetime but Edmonton will be a little more forgiving when it comes to his lack of D.
 

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Jacobv2 said:
A few things that don't show up on the stats sheet are speed, of which Schremp has none. Also defensive ability, where O'Sullivan is far superior.

Agreed. Now, I've only seen the two playing at the WJC's, but from what I've seen give me O'Sullivan without hesitation.
 

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You are missing his point from the very beginning. Things like skating and defensive awareness are things that can and are taught regularly to young players. Offensive instinct and vision is a completely different monster that some are born with or without, some good and some much better. Schremp, I feel, has a much better offensive game than O'Sullivan.

Skatingwise, I don't believe the bull about Robbie. Cheechoo's knock before stepping on NHL ice was his skating is horrible (still is), he'll never be able to to contribute because of the speed of players now. Seems to be doing alright for himself and I wouldn't trade him for 99% percent of the league's players. Given the right drive a player can overcome an obstacle like that. That's one question you can have on Schremp (or jsut about any prospect): does he have the drive?

Another thing to consider is how well his offensive game will translate into his NHL team? If Schremp was playing for the Wild then maybe I'd be worried about his icetime but Edmonton will be a little more forgiving when it comes to his lack of D.


Good post. Another thing to consider that is particular to the Oilers (and a few other teams) is the Oilers pp has stunk since Weight left because we have noone who can run the pp. Whenever I've seen Schremp play, he reminded me so much of Weight on the pp, controling the puck on the hlaf boards, and feeding pucks to the other players. Definately something the Oilers need.
 

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I think they're pretty much even in my opinion. Schremp, although a good player, definitely benefits from the team around him and that's why his point totals are so high. O'Sullivan has been a consistent offensive star in the OHL but weather that will translate to the NHL is anyones best guess. They are both high risk, but high reward prospects but I think Schremp has the higher ceiling.
 

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Oiltalk said:
While O' Sullivan is the go to go guy on his team? We can go back and forth on this.
Yes, O'Sullivan is the go to guy on Mississauga..... but if you put Schremp on a team that is not performing the way London is this year, you wouldn't see the huge stats (which is not to say he wouldn't have pretty good stats, but he wouldn't have near the points he has now). London has a lethal PP unit, and Schremp, while participating in the sucess, is also a beneficiary. If you threw O'Sullivan on a team like London, I don't think there's any question that he would have far more points than Schremp.

I like Schremp, but he is not a better player than O'Sullivan was a year and a half ago.
 

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Yes, O'Sullivan is the go to guy on Mississauga..... but if you put Schremp on a team that is not performing the way London is this year, you wouldn't see the huge stats (which is not to say he wouldn't have pretty good stats, but he wouldn't have near the points he has now). London has a lethal PP unit, and Schremp, while participating in the sucess, is also a beneficiary. If you threw O'Sullivan on a team like London, I don't think there's any question that he would have far more points than Schremp.

I like Schremp, but he is not a better player than O'Sullivan was a year and a half ago.
Who cares about the O'Sullivan from a year and a half ago. The O'Sullivan of now is what should be discussed.

Something has to balance out those 1.5 years O'Sullivan has on Schremp. Better team vs. older more experienced player + being the go to go guy on his. Equal situations in my books.
 

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Now, I've only seen the two playing at the WJC's, but from what I've seen give me O'Sullivan without hesitation.

I was just about to post the same thing.
 

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I was just about to post the same thing.


^If that's what you two people are basing your opinions on.. Schremp played less than 5 minutes per game on average. Again, not a very good example for you to hold something back on Schremp. I'm going with Schremp on this one, but it could very well be a biased statement. He'll fit in Edmonton giving his talents on the PP as well as good on the draw. Some players with great speed still suck and their rolls are that only for defensive purposes.
 

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Oiltalk said:
Who cares about the O'Sullivan from a year and a half ago. The O'Sullivan of now is what should be discussed.
I was responding to the comments that stated that O'Sullivan should be better, he's older. When you compare the two at the same age O'Sullivan was better. I'm not talking about stats, I'm talking about the player on the ice. But to answer your comment..... the O'Sullivan of today is better as well.
 

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Exactly. I really love that comparison. Douggie never had the "speed" to be the next scoring dynamo's Todd Marchant, Jason Chimera and Konstantin Koltsov, but still had the skill level to get him 90 and 100 point seasons. I see the same kind of future for Robbie Schremp.


I agree 100%.

And I read in the paper in September that he was at a skating camp in the summer where he spent a month on improving his skating. To me that shows dedication and committment to working on areas needed to improve. I suspect that Robbie will do the same thing this summer.

I watch this kid skate and it looks like he dances out there sometimes, but his footspeed needs to be better.
 

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I don't realy care if Schremp is not a realy good skater. Skating can be taught and he took some skating lessons and his offensive skills are ahead of O'Sullivan. So I take Schremp plus he's younger.
 

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Robbie Schremp is definetley my pick. Some of you question his ability with his lack of "speed". He is a fine skater in the OHL, he is defientley not slow, more of a shifty skater. Someone also said earlier that hes bailed on almost every bad team hes played for..and that he'll do the same with the oilers? Thats one of the most stupid things i've heard about him. He palyed for missasuaga for 1 and a half years and obviosuly wanted to go to a better team. I htink any palyer who is on a bad team would want out of that situtation, when there was no hope.

Also i don't believe he is going to "bail out" on the oilers. Edmonton is a great hockey city, with alot of passion and attention. He will definetley add to that teams much needed offense. And will prove wrong all of those idiots that passed him over the first 24 picks. (that was definetley the steal of last years draft)

Somoene also said that Schremp would not be gettign all those points he has this year if he was on another team?! Are you kidding me! Yes i'm sure hes going to get a few moe points because hes with that amazing PP unit in London, but give that guy some credit. He is the PP specialist on that team. Hes a superstar and a very consistent player when it comes to points. THis year will definetley be a career high for him though, as it will be for most of his london knights teammates.

And for people to question his defensive game? Yes hes not the greatest defensive player in the league, but hes doing his job (+25). He is a scorer, and most importantly a PP specialist. LIke it was said before offense cannot be taught, defense can. Hunter has made it clear i'm sure, that if he dosen't paly defense, he won't play.

And just a bit of info,his WJC performance was great, he put up some good points, considering the ice time he received. Patty O'sullivan got way more icetime and didn't put up that much more. (Anyone find the exact stats?!)

When it comes down to it I believe Robbie Schremp has so much natural talent and offensive skills, I don't believe Patty O comes close. If i had a choice of either player to paly on my team it would defientley be RS.
 

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I don't realy care if Schremp is not a realy good skater. Skating can be taught and he took some skating lessons and his offensive skills are ahead of O'Sullivan. So I take Schremp plus he's younger.

You got to be kidding. If you are not a good skater at 18, you may be able to become adequate, but their is no way you will ever become a good skater , no matter how good your teacher is.
 

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I like O'sullivan more both are great offencively but Schremps stats may be a bit inflated from being on the Knights and I don't like some of things i've heard about his character.
 

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I like O'sullivan more both are great offencively but Schremps stats may be a bit inflated from being on the Knights and I don't like some of things i've heard about his character.

nothing is wrong with his character, he is just the most confident guy at his age. And really, why shouldn't he be? If he was really that big of a problem Hunter would have sent him packing a long time ago.
 

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Sammy said:
You got to be kidding. If you are not a good skater at 18, you may be able to become adequate, but their is no way you will ever become a good skater , no matter how good your teacher is.

To be fair, he never claimed that he could be taught into a really good skater. He doesn't need to be a tremendous skater anyways, as long as his skating is "good enough" (I honestly don't think it's a problem...people are just graspin to anything to hate), he'll be more than fine in the big league.
 

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Jacobv2 said:
Weight is a pretty good skater (used to be a really good one) and I'd consider him a legit two-way center.


Why are you arguing with a middle schooler?
Weight might not have the best speed but he has excellent foot work.

I like the comparison between Shremp and Weight...
 
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