Proposal: Ristolainen

[Stickpucker]

Thinking out loud if Buffalo wants a shutdown D what about something around Reinhart and Pesce?

 

[BAM]

Thinking out loud if Buffalo wants a shutdown D what about something around Reinhart and Pesce?

I'd want more than Reinhart if I'm the Canes

 

[ManofSteel55]

Why? Edmonton needs an offensive quarterback and Buffalo a great defensive-minded defenceman?

Looks like Edmonton has their offensive quarterback in Bouchard. What we don't have is another great defensive minded defenseman. It's hard to pass up on Risto, but I don't see how bringing him in at the expense of Larsson is the right fit.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Sounds like you could try taking your own advice there. Risto is a victim of playing more and more difficult minutes than he ideally should on a piss-poor team, and has been his entire career to date. I have watched Larsson (obviously not as much as Oiler fans, but I've watched him enough to form an opinion), and he leaves me unimpressed every time.

Larsson plays difficult minutes as well, and has done so on piss poor teams more often than not. The difference is that one of the two players doesn't cost his team goals on a regular basis when he is on the ice.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Ramsus Ristolainen
Sam Reinhart
for
William Nylander
Nikita Zaitsev

Marleau - Matthews - Reinhart
Hyman - - - Tavares - - - Marner
Johnsson - - Kadri - - - Kapanen
Leivo/Ennis - Lindholm - Brown

Gardiner - - - - Rielly
Hainsey - Ristolainen
Borgman - - Dermott

- - - - -

Skinner - - - Eichel - - - Okposo
Sheary - - Nylander - Mittelstadt
Sobotka - - Berglund - Rodrigues
Wilson - Grigensons - Pominville

Dahlin - - - Zaitsev
McCabe - Scandella
Beaulieu - Bogosian

Leafs downgrade their offence and take on a project in Ristolainen, who would have the opportunity to develop his game under Babcock, especially playing with Coach Hainsey. Reinhart is like an upgraded version of Brown/Hyman imo which would work well with Matthews.

The Sabres get Willy and a stable Dman in Zaitsev. Willy and his brother can be line mates over the course of the next few years​

Brutal for the Sabres

 

[UnleashRasmus]

Having watched Buffalo quite a lot the past couple of years, it's evident that Ristolainen lacks the speed and defensive awareness to handle first pairing duties, at least on a team like the Sabres.

What they need is a defensive stalwart who can eat 25 minutes of simple shut-down hockey - being the safety net for Dahlin to learn from and solve mistakes for.

How about something like Ristolainen for A.Larsson + 2nd?

Could benefit both teams. Dahlin gets a Swedish mentor, Edmonton gets their PP-defenceman.

Thoughts?

That's not even close. Sorry. Adam Larsson isn't worth anything close to Ristolainen who has two 40 point seasons and one 50 point season. As well as the second, which is an okay add, but no thanks.

 

[UnleashRasmus]

Larsson is still the better player though

No he's not. In what universe, unless you're solely basing it on Corsi number. He had to do everything on a Sabres team without suitable partner / depth on the back end. He'll be much more effective having not to rush the ice to create the play as well as play back on the defensive side. Larsson is nowhere near as effective offensively.

 

[McVespa99]

Risto is more talented and provides more grit than Larsson.

This is not a trade I would consider

And boom goes the Cred.....

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Rasmus Ristolainen
vs
Jeff Petry, 2nd
?

 

[Sabreality]

Ristolainens best days are ahead of him, not moving that for Larsson

 

[WeDislikeEich]

Ramsus Ristolainen
Sam Reinhart
for
William Nylander
Nikita Zaitsev

Marleau - Matthews - Reinhart
Hyman - - - Tavares - - - Marner
Johnsson - - Kadri - - - Kapanen
Leivo/Ennis - Lindholm - Brown

Gardiner - - - - Rielly
Hainsey - Ristolainen
Borgman - - Dermott

- - - - -

Skinner - - - Eichel - - - Okposo
Sheary - - Nylander - Mittelstadt
Sobotka - - Berglund - Rodrigues
Wilson - Grigensons - Pominville

Dahlin - - - Zaitsev
McCabe - Scandella
Beaulieu - Bogosian

Leafs downgrade their offence and take on a project in Ristolainen, who would have the opportunity to develop his game under Babcock, especially playing with Coach Hainsey. Reinhart is like an upgraded version of Brown/Hyman imo which would work well with Matthews.

The Sabres get Willy and a stable Dman in Zaitsev. Willy and his brother can be line mates over the course of the next few years​

Very Easy no from this buffalo fan.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Ristolainens best days are ahead of him, not moving that for Larsson

This is a fair position as well. Suggesting that Ristolainen is a better or equal defensive player than Larsson is ridiculous, but saying you don't want to move Risto because his offensive upside is through the roof, is more than reasonable. As an Oilers fan, we just don't need him with Bouchard likely sticking with the team this year in a powerplay specialist role.

 

[Jim Bob]

And boom goes the Cred.....

 

[MMANumminen]

Risto will have a monster year, ridiculous to trade him for a mediocre Swede

 

[Beerz]

Very few players in the entire NHL provide more grit than Larsson. You outed yourself as someone who knows nothing about him.

I didnt say Larsson doesnt provide grit .. its just not at the level of Risto ...

 

[Beerz]

And boom goes the Cred.....

Cred is just fine... thanks

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Ristolainens best days are ahead of him, not moving that for Larsson

Adam is 2 years older.

And defensive defencemen have longer lives than offensive.

 

[Sabreality]

Adam is 2 years older.

And defensive defencemen have longer lives than offensive.

your capping Ristos ability as strictly offensive, which is wrong. Sorry, not a good deal.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

I didnt say Larsson doesnt provide grit .. its just not at the level of Risto ...

No. It's at least a couple of levels higher than Risto.

 

[Aladyyn]

I'd want more than Reinhart if I'm the Canes

I'd want more than Pesce.

 

[Martin Skoula]

your capping Ristos ability as strictly offensive, which is wrong. Sorry, not a good deal.

Maybe he can break 50% CF for once in his career or not get outscored by 20+ goals at ES before we talk about his defensive ability?

Right now he only brings above average results on the PP, his ES minutes are ugly.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Risto will have a monster year, ridiculous to trade him for a mediocre Swede

if Larsson is average, Risto is below average

 

[PatrikBerglund]

your capping Ristos ability as strictly offensive, which is wrong. Sorry, not a good deal.

He is well below average defensively.

Looks horrible against first lines, need to be 3/4th defenceman and handle easier matchups.

 

[Beerz]

No. It's at least a couple of levels higher than Risto.

k...

 

[Aladyyn]

Maybe he can break 50% CF for once in his career or not get outscored by 20+ goals at ES before we talk about his defensive ability?

Right now he only brings above average results on the PP, his ES minutes are ugly.

That's a pretty ridiculous metric to use considering like 3 Sabres have reached that mark in the last 6 years.