Bonsai Tree
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Rick Tocchet Rope Thread
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Muppet
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It's either an extremely short rope, or enough rope to make a noose.. depends on what you want to do with him.
Bonsai Tree
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Matias Maccete
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I think you have to give him until at least the all star break. As bad as we've been, you can't fire him this early, unless the team completely quits on him. I think it's pretty likely he gets the whole season regardless of what happens though, if only for financial reasons. Even disregarding the financial reasons, it's tough to give up on a coach in his first season.
It's getting very hard to defend him already though. The excuses are running out, and the losses are still piling up.
It's getting very hard to defend him already though. The excuses are running out, and the losses are still piling up.
CC96
Serious Offender
Can’t afford a multi year buyout on multiple coaches.
Matias Maccete
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Sadly I think this is the only thing that needs to be said. Regardless of how bad this gets, we're probably stuck.
Agreed, they aren't going to pay 2 coaches to sit on the beach and a third one to coach the team.
He still hasn't gotten a fully healthy roster on a team that had zero depth to begin with.
How about enough rope to make a noose, that he gives to us, so we can hang ourselves instead of have to watch this team?
Barroway probably can't afford to ship rope to all Coyotes fans. Though, he can probably put a Flavor-Aid Bowl in his suite and allow fans to stop by for the party!
Oh please! Would you get over yourself already? Tippett is gone and isn't coming back. The team wasn't expected to do well or even close to it at all no matter who's the coach. There's no rope yet as Toccket is a 1st year coach. You'll see changes in the roster 1st before you see Toccket go.
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Bonsai Tree
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I've followed this team through a multitude of coaches. Few have been so inept. As to your idiot argument about Tippett, it doesn't matter who is gone. Only rarely do coaches return to former teams, and I wouldn't want it let alone count on it in this case. As to your more rational argument about expectations, it's not that the Coyotes are having yet another losing season, it's how they're losing. I've seen more coachable mistakes on this team than ever before and it's not improving. These coachable mistakes are killing the team. I've seen this team just flat out give up on plays, give up on games. That's on the coach as well. Evaluating the effect of coaching on this team I judge Tocchet falling way short of acceptable. And that's what we do on these board, right? We judge.
Bonsai Tree
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?I don't like using injuries as an excuse. Only Hammer is missing now and we still can't win. Why haven't the kids progressed like we all thought they would? We are a very soft team besides Schenn. You need more than one player that can hit and keep the other team honest.
I agree, you'll see roster changes first, but only because Tocc's contract will cloud managements objectivity. What was the team expected to do exactly? 70 points last year and we have a much better roster now. I think it was reasonable to expect an improvement in points, maybe not 90+ and playoffs but maybe high 70's to low 80's point wise. We are on pace for 45 points. We all, reasonably expected, the team to be way better then it is today, and some of that, is on the coach. I actually think most of it at this point.
The bad goal tending argument early in the year, new players, new coach and new system is an excuse, one that Vegas could use with their 5 goal tenders this year, new system, new coach, all new players. Yet they are succeeding and we are failing.
What the hell are you talking about? Many thought this team would be a bubble team, which it should be, and some even thought playoffs. We are in year three of the rebuild and we should be much better than last year and much better than we are showing. This team has underachieved big time this year, and that there is no debate, but who is to blame is the 64 thousand dollar question. We as fans have no inside info so all we can do is speculate, but coaching is one reason we are showing so bad, but by no means is it the only reason.
Yet, they are still out of the playoff picture. With their talent they should be doing better, but it is damn hard to win in the NHL with the parity we have. Look at Edmonton, Minnesota, Anaheim. Even Pittsburgh would be out of the playoffs if it started tomorrow, the defending champs.
TheLegend
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Maybe that’s the problem. Too many people here had their expectations set too high.
Did anyone have their expectations this low?
I said mid-high 70's.
Here are the two prediction threads.
Pre- Demers trade: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/how-will-we-do-with-no-further-major-moves.2378277/
Post-Demers trade: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/the-2017-2018-arizona-coyotes-prediction-thread.2389377/
If you read through the threads there are a lot of regulars who didn't offer up a prediction, probably because it was hard to say
Domi and Stepan being unable to score is killing this team post-Domingue. There are lots of other issues but two top 6 guys have been either so snake bitten or so lackadaisical that the performances by certain players like Fischer, Keller, Duclair , and to a lesser extent Perlini overshooting their targets is being nullified.
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