Revisiting the conditional pick in the Campbell/Clifford deal

[The Podium]

COVID-19 may have saved the Leafs a second pick. As of right now, if the regular season is cancelled and the NHL restarts at playoffs, the games played condition cannot be met. If Clifford is not resigned, which is unlikely with a stagnant cap, the condition will not be met.

Seems like the deal will be

Clifford (16 games + Playoffs)
Campbell (2.25 seasons)

for

Moore
2020 and 2021 3rd

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[Canada4Gold]

The Leafs only had 1 back to back left and 12 games. Campbell getting 3 games and winning all 3 was pretty unlikely to begin with IMO. If the Leafs need the points in a non back to back they likely run with Andersen. If they clinch late and Campbell is at 5 wins they call up KK to start him to avoid giving up the pick.

If anything covid might make it more likely if they resume the season because they'll condense it a lot and probably would give Campbell more games than he otherwise would have played.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I personally want Clifford back. He’s worth the slide in picks for me. Thats my take. Rightly or wrongly i will maintain that view

 

[qqaz]

I personally want Clifford back. He’s worth the slide in picks for me. Thats my take. Rightly or wrongly i will maintain that view

That's how I feel, too. I don't know what's going to happen with the cap, so it could change. But unless Clifford ask is insane, or the cap drops, I want Clifford back.

Forget the pick, let's watch a winner.

 

[Martin Skoula]

That's how I feel, too. I don't know what's going to happen with the cap, so it could change. But unless Clifford ask is insane, or the cap drops, I want Clifford back.

Forget the pick, let's watch a winner.

The pick gives you flexibility next deadline. If we're having a good year and run into a Rielly/Muzzin injury around February again, I'd much rather have extra ammo to get a replacement D than a 2 million dollar 4th liner.

 

[Nineteen67]

Why would they trade for him if they weren’t going to try and re-sign him?

 

[Tairy Greene]

Why would they trade for him if they weren’t going to try and re-sign him?

I think Campbell was the main piece they were after. I would like to see Clifford back but only at the right price, the trade is still worth it for a good backup imo

 

[Nineteen67]

I think Campbell was the main piece they were after. I would like to see Clifford back but only at the right price, the trade is still worth it for a good backup imo

Yes, but they need both.

 

[qqaz]

The pick gives you flexibility next deadline. If we're having a good year and run into a Rielly/Muzzin injury around February again, I'd much rather have extra ammo to get a replacement D than a 2 million dollar 4th liner.

The difference between the 3rd and the 2nd we'd be giving up wouldn't make a difference in a future big-time deadline deal.

We'd probably end up paying more than that to try and add, yet again, what Clifford brings. Just keep him instead.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

The difference between the 3rd and the 2nd we'd be giving up wouldn't make a difference in a future big-time deadline deal.

We'd probably end up paying more than that to try and add, yet again, what Clifford brings. Just keep him instead.

You and i agree on the value. If a Robertson type sneaky pick was there scouting loves that earlier pick. Thats the area we could be flexible in agreeing with keeping the better pick. Clifford has enough to bring still to choose him over that earlier pick. There aren’t many Cliffords available

 

[Legion34]

Yes, but they need both.

they traded for him when they believed it would be an 84-88 cap. It’s a different world now

 

[Buds17]

I'm not concerned with the pick. Campbell being in the deal and under contract could have been somewhat of an acknowledgment towards any possibility of Clifford not returning to the team for next season. I don't think management would look at the GP condition or re-signing Clifford as any kind of detriment though.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I do not think Clifford really brought enough to warrant bringing back. He is fine enough to still play in the NHL, but for the contract he likely wants and the condition on the deal, I think he is more than replaceable by someone like Korshkov. Korshkov has the defensive game (including PK ability, which Clifford does not have) and physicality people want but with enough offensive upside to be more than a 4th line winger and will only cost 925k next year (which is probably half the amount Clifford would ask for).

I think Engvall-Gauthier-Korshkov will be the Leafs' 4th line next year, with Spezza as the 13th forward and getting quite a few games but not too many as to wear him out.

 

[Funk21]

I do not think Clifford really brought enough to warrant bringing back. He is fine enough to still play in the NHL, but for the contract he likely wants and the condition on the deal, I think he is more than replaceable by someone like Korshkov. Korshkov has the defensive game (including PK ability, which Clifford does not have) and physicality people want but with enough offensive upside to be more than a 4th line winger and will only cost 925k next year (which is probably half the amount Clifford would ask for).

I think Engvall-Gauthier-Korshkov will be the Leafs' 4th line next year, with Spezza as the 13th forward and getting quite a few games but not too many as to wear him out.

This but I think Spezza gets 50 games while Korskov is shuttled back and forth to the Marlies. This is as you said to keep Spezza fresh. The great thing about Spezza is he can either play C or RW. So perhaps Gauthier is given a few nights off too.