Report claims Nashville troubles Daly

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Funny how the media of certain areas has chosen another victim now that they think the Pens aren't a good target for relocation anymore, feeding a bunch of pipe dreams.
Bill Daly is not "the media of certain areas." However, Bill Daly is the one that singled the Predators out.
 

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Bill Daly is not "the media of certain areas." However, Bill Daly is the one that singled the Predators out.

Bill Daly isn't the media, but the author of the article in this thread is, who strung together some "quotes" to make it appear as if Bill Daly suggested that the Predators could move to Canada.
 

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Yeah, I used to get excited when a team was reported by the media to be in financial trouble. I'd always think "This could be the one." Always led to a big letdown.:(

The reality is that the NHL will exhaust all avenues in the US as far as relocating a team before looking to Canada, whether it's Winnipeg or elsewhere.
To tell you the truth, if you could actually figure out what that poster was saying, you are a better man than me.
 

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Bill Daly isn't the media, but the author of the article in this thread is, who strung together some "quotes" to make it appear as if Bill Daly suggested that the Predators could move to Canada.

Let's step back before Bob McKenzie comes in and lays the smack down on all of us again.... :D no where in the article does the author suggest that Daly said the Predators should move anywhere.

Here's the relevant snippet:

The franchise that troubles Daly is Nashville, where the Predators are receiving poor support from the corporate sector.

He then said that the NHL, as a rule, opposes franchise relocation, but later added he wouldn't be surprised to see a new franchise in Canada in the future.

"I don't want to get too specific, but, if you've got sufficient enough population and based on the economics and economy in the local market, I think you could make that work in the current National Hockey League," Daly said. "That may leave a bunch of possibilities, or do your own analysis as to what you think those markets are, but I think the CBA creates those opportunities, certainly."


I've emboldened the key words here - the author is making it pretty clear that the discussion of another team in Canada came AFTER the discussion about Nashville.
 

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Let's step back before Bob McKenzie comes in and lays the smack down on all of us again.... :D no where in the article does the author suggest that Daly said the Predators should move anywhere.

Here's the relevant snippet:

The franchise that troubles Daly is Nashville, where the Predators are receiving poor support from the corporate sector.

He then said that the NHL, as a rule, opposes franchise relocation, but later added he wouldn't be surprised to see a new franchise in Canada in the future.

"I don't want to get too specific, but, if you've got sufficient enough population and based on the economics and economy in the local market, I think you could make that work in the current National Hockey League," Daly said. "That may leave a bunch of possibilities, or do your own analysis as to what you think those markets are, but I think the CBA creates those opportunities, certainly."


I've emboldened the key words here - the author is making it pretty clear that the discussion of another team in Canada came AFTER the discussion about Nashville.

Very good observations, Jamiebez. I had noted the same thing earlier in the thread, although you have tied it up in a nice neat bow.

As i said before, it is a neat little trick that reporters use. They are able to say that, such as in this case, they did not say Daly said Nashville would/could relocate to Canada; however, the positioning sets out the true intent of the writer.

As far as citizen Bob "laying the smackdown" on anyone, I see that exchange a little differently. He still has not given a reckoning as to what level of responsibility he and his brethren have to reporting something without even querying whether it is true.
 

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Sorry

8,000

Nashville has a population of 1,422,544 (2005 census).
Winnipeg has a population of 619,544 (2001 Canadian census).

The Brentwood / Cool Springs area of Nashville (Williamson Co.) is one of the most wealthy (top 10) and affluent areas in the entire United States.

Get over yourself, Blamebettman!
 

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no winnipeg is too poor for the nhl....

majority of peggers are on fixed incomes and can't afford nhl prices.....

there is no corporate support in winnipeg....no fortune 500 multinational companies in that town......

the best bet is to get a major junior team......winnipeg is too poor for nhl...

Holly crap man. Did Winnipeg kill your dog?

The best bet to get a major Jr team?, haha they have the Moose which is probably the most successful AHL team.


Nashville has a population of 1,422,544 (2005 census).
Winnipeg has a population of 619,544 (2001 Canadian census).

The Brentwood / Cool Springs area of Nashville (Williamson Co.) is one of the most wealthy (top 10) and affluent areas in the entire United States.

Get over yourself, Blamebettman!

I don't think those numbers matter. If nashville has 100,000 people who give a crap about hockey and winnipeg has 600,000 they will have better TV ratings and support. No matter if Winnipeg can or can't add seats in a renovation they sure as hell can sell tickets for more than Buffalo's average ticket price of $36.
 

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It's 15,000.

There is the possibility it can be expanded slightly, but by no more than a couple hundred seats and a dozen or so luxury suites. It's built into a city block, so any serious expansion would involve annexing a street or 2, which would be very costly.
I fail to see where an arena with a dozen or so suites and 15k seats is going to do better than an arena with 72 suites that are sold (125K average price tag) and averaging 14.7k a game. I guess if you can get those 300 extra seats at a price of $595 a game, you'll break even...
 

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I can't imagine the Leafs ever letting that happen.

Why did the Rangers let that happen? The Kings? Money.

Toronto sells out every night, even when they have a mediocre team with the highest ticket prices in the league. Their TV ratings for LOCAL games are HIGHER than what Versus gets for a NATIONAL game in the US. Someone is going to throw a pile of money and/or lawyers at the MLSE eventually and get Toronto (or Hamilton, or Mississauga, or even Kitchener-Waterloo) a team.

I also believe that the NHLPA will be pushing for this as well. This is a no-brainer move to increase revenues, which directly translates to more money for the players. By only having 1 team in Toronto, every NHL player is losing money.
 

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Yeah, I used to get excited when a team was reported by the media to be in financial trouble. I'd always think "This could be the one." Always led to a big letdown.:(
No offense man, but that's pretty heartless of you. You'd think Jets fans would be the first ones to be throwing out the sympathy in such a case, does it only work one way?

Bill Daly isn't the media, but the author of the article in this thread is, who strung together some "quotes" to make it appear as if Bill Daly suggested that the Predators could move to Canada.
Exactly what I meant, thank you.
 

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i am not blowing smoke....

i'm worried about the arena situation is both cities...

i'm afraid that left wing, socialist NIMBY folks may derail any public money going to build both arenas.....

we saw this when both jets/nords left....the provinical government would not support public money to build nhl caliber arenas.....

There are no left-wing socialists in Alberta, so don't worry about that. Alberta is one of the most right-wing places outside of the USA.
 

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I fail to see where an arena with a dozen or so suites and 15k seats is going to do better than an arena with 72 suites that are sold (125K average price tag) and averaging 14.7k a game. I guess if you can get those 300 extra seats at a price of $595 a game, you'll break even...

the mts centre has 50 luxury suites and the Preds' were averaging just under 12,800 in paid attendance as of Dec.31st.
 

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No offense man, but that's pretty heartless of you. You'd think Jets fans would be the first ones to be throwing out the sympathy in such a case, does it only work one way?

Thick skin, my man. And, as I said... I used to get excited about the possibility of getting a new team here.

It was not my intention to offend. I apologize.
 

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Thick skin, my man. And, as I said... I used to get excited about the possibility of getting a new team here.

It was not my intention to offend. I apologize.
No offense taken on my part! I wasn't really sure if you realized how you sounded, lol. ;)

Got a question for you though. I know Tampa "had talks" with some people in Winnipeg a few years ago, basically to get some leverage with the local government for tax breaks. An "ooh look, we might move! Don't you want to give us money to stay?" kinda thing. Do you guys get a lot of reports like that up there? Just curious.
 

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the mts centre has 50 luxury suites and the Preds' were averaging just under 12,800 in paid attendance as of Dec.31st.
... which is 1500 tickets more than Winnipeg's average distributed tickets in its last year of existence.

Sorry, couldn't let that slide, but if we're all just cherrypicking numbers ...
 

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Got a question for you though. I know Tampa "had talks" with some people in Winnipeg a few years ago, basically to get some leverage with the local government for tax breaks. An "ooh look, we might move! Don't you want to give us money to stay?" kinda thing. Do you guys get a lot of reports like that up there? Just curious.

Hmmm...The Winnipeg Lightning... I kinda like the sound of that.;)

There have been some reports : The Penguins(but they were reported to be going everywhere, weren't they?). A couple years ago there was a report of a Southern franchise owner(sorry Preds fans but it was rumoured to be Nashville) contacting our Mayor about the potential move of their team to Winnipeg.

In fact just recently on the jetsowner site there was a post that stated that the Lightning were all but guaranteed to be coming here. Haven't read that thread in a few days so I don't know where that is going. (Well, actually I do...you can file that under G along with all the other garbage rumours)
 

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As i said before, it is a neat little trick that reporters use. They are able to say that, such as in this case, they did not say Daly said Nashville would/could relocate to Canada; however, the positioning sets out the true intent of the writer.
Thanks for the kudos, but I actually disagree with your conclusion here - I think you may be inferring an intent where none exists.

The report in question is just a "beat" report on a sports business symposium here in Ottawa, where the author is covering a lot of ground in one small article. The positioning of the two quotes smacks to me as just having some "flow" to it. He's got two quotes of interest by Daly that are somewhat related (both concern the NHL's financial future), so he puts them together in the middle of the story. Reading it, this makes sense to me, especially when the rest of the story is information unrelated to those two quotes.
 

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Thanks for the kudos, but I actually disagree with your conclusion here - I think you may be inferring an intent where none exists.

The report in question is just a "beat" report on a sports business symposium here in Ottawa, where the author is covering a lot of ground in one small article. The positioning of the two quotes smacks to me as just having some "flow" to it. He's got two quotes of interest by Daly that are somewhat related (both concern the NHL's financial future), so he puts them together in the middle of the story. Reading it, this makes sense to me, especially when the rest of the story is information unrelated to those two quotes.
Perhaps. I am extremely cynical when it comes to reporters. They are all about writing the story that is more assured of getting in the paper (or on whatever media they work for). I have had some media training by people who were formerly in that biz, and you would be more than a little shocked by the level of cynicism and self-interest. I know I was, and I am fairly experienced in the ways of the world. Suffice to say it's not exactly Woodward and Bernstein.

To me, a report that implies the NHL might move a team to Canada is more likely to be read than one that does not. Ergo, the placement of the quotes.

Certainly it is just a beat report, but beat reporters are generally dying to get themselves noticed.

Hey, I might be wrong, but I will generally choose the more cynical approach where the media is concerned.
 

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LOL at the guy who said that most Winnipeggers are on fixed incomes. And people complain that the pro-jets crowd just attacks southern cities without knowing anything about the place.
 

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I believe that there season tickets are somewhere around that number, give or take a couple of thousand.

Thanks.

Isn't that a bit apples-and-oranges, using season ticket tallies for Nashville while using people coming out to support/try and prevent the Jets from leaving?

It's a lot more of a commitment to get season tickets than it is to go out and support a team, especially if you think it might have an effect on them leaving or not.

For instance, I'm not a season ticket-holder. By your numbers, you wouldn't count me as a Colorado Avalanche fan
 

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Says the Avs fan, whose city got handed a winning team. Nice personal attacks there, btw. Maybe it's you that needs to "get real".

Funny how the media of certain areas has chosen another victim now that they think the Pens aren't a good target for relocation anymore, feeding a bunch of pipe dreams.
1st off I don't live in Denver, and have been a fan since the days in Quebec.

2nd I haven't attacked anybody. I'm stating facts, and purely facts.

3rd I know that if Winnipeg is to get a team, if wont be for a while. However so many people knock Winnipeg, while they've never been there. Then when someone comments on Nashville negatively, everyone (like you) get all defensive. Everyone tells us how there's no corporate support in Winnipeg, but when we talk about Nashville as soon as you knock the market before of that you get people on your back.

The media is knocking Nashville for a reason, I'm not against teams in the southern US, nor do I have a hate for Nashville (I actually think they have some good fans, relitavely speaking) but that's no good unless you have corporate support, just like the same problem in Winnipeg.

So I'm pretty relistic and I can tell you Nashville needs to get behing the Preds or they're leaving.
 
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I can't imagine the Leafs ever letting that happen.

I couldn't think of a reason they wouldn't allow it. It would be another natural rival, it would be a great cash grab (and nobody loves cash grabs more than the OTP!) and it wouldn't hurt their fan base at all.

Why did the Rangers let that happen? The Kings? Money.

Toronto sells out every night, even when they have a mediocre team with the highest ticket prices in the league. Their TV ratings for LOCAL games are HIGHER than what Versus gets for a NATIONAL game in the US. Someone is going to throw a pile of money and/or lawyers at the MLSE eventually and get Toronto (or Hamilton, or Mississauga, or even Kitchener-Waterloo) a team.

I also believe that the NHLPA will be pushing for this as well. This is a no-brainer move to increase revenues, which directly translates to more money for the players. By only having 1 team in Toronto, every NHL player is losing money.

Bingo!
 

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