News Article: RendezVous LeBreton plan dead, but there are still places Melnyk could build an arena

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I put my foot in your mouth. Wait what are you talking about?
Edmonton’s rink isn’t a good deal? Or that isn’t the deal EM hoped for? You mindless insults with nothing to add sure get boring.
At least I can read your thoughts on how money and life work and laugh, oh how I laugh
You're ignoring what I said on purpose lmao
 

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I guarantee if the Sens went on a run next year, the crowds would come back.

Kanata is nowhere near the perfect location, but they had no problem bringing in crowds before.

It would be the same if the arena was in Orleans. People will show up for a winning product.

Look at the 67's this season, it started out with 2,000 people through the first half of the year and then suddenly grew as the season went on.

Ottawa has always been a fairweather city, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing as it forces teams to keep a good product on the field/ice.
I still maintain the location is stale. People in my demographic in the central part of the city with disposable income do not have any interest trekking out to Kanata. There's nothing to do. DUI is abhorrent. There's no bars around. The bus stinks like piss. The location has run its course. Kanata is a struggle to gather attendance, central would be a walk in the park.
 

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Well judging how you keep defending a failure at business ,it would seem you could use a refresher

Defending what? Failure would be what happened if the owner of an arena not yet paid for built another one, the debt would destroy the sens, the new building would make the old arena extreamly useless and it would be absolute stupidity.
There is no upside to taking on another 500 million in debt. Let’s say it made another 20 million a year, zero chance of that but even so, what kind of interest payments would that be? Even at a crazy low rate of 3% that 15 million a year in interest.
I don’t see that as good or profitable. Even a rink paid for in cash, and a reasonable increase of 10 million a year, 50 years to break even. Lol.
Sooo smart
EM the mad rink builder, in the same city... duhhh That would be legendary stupidity
 

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I still maintain the location is stale. People in my demographic in the central part of the city with disposable income do not have any interest trekking out to Kanata. There's nothing to do. DUI is abhorrent. There's no bars around. The bus stinks like piss. The location has run its course. Kanata is a struggle to gather attendance, central would be a walk in the park.

It's only like that because the Sens are trash. My circle of friends is the same, they won't take tickets for free at the moment.

But, the instant they become good again, and there is belief they can win each night people will want tickets again. It is exaclty what happened with the 67's this year.

People who had never spoke of the 67's in their lives before, all of a sudden were the biggest fans.

Don't get me wrong, a central location is better than Kanata. But the team as it is today wouldn't be selling out in any location across Ottawa.

Just watch this year's Redblacks, they are already way down on season tickets from past years.
 
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Defending what? Failure would be what happened if the owner of an arena not yet paid for built another one, the debt would destroy the sens, the new building would make the old arena extreamly useless and it would be absolute stupidity.
There is no upside to taking on another 500 million in debt. Let’s say it made another 20 million a year, zero chance of that but even so, what kind of interest payments would that be? Even at a crazy low rate of 3% that 15 million a year in interest.
I don’t see that as good or profitable. Even a rink paid for in cash, and a reasonable increase of 10 million a year, 50 years to break even. Lol.
Sooo smart
You type alot yet say very little,just keep going round and round ....We get it EM cant afford a new arena or to run the team properly ....You just need to let go of thinking anybody will actually believe anything you say about EM ,as he is no longer a person anybody wants to have any sort of connection with in this city...It is best for him and anybody else concerned that he sells the team,as it will be nothing more than a poisoned chalice to him here...
 
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Defending what? Failure would be what happened if the owner of an arena not yet paid for built another one, the debt would destroy the sens, the new building would make the old arena extreamly useless and it would be absolute stupidity.
There is no upside to taking on another 500 million in debt. Let’s say it made another 20 million a year, zero chance of that but even so, what kind of interest payments would that be? Even at a crazy low rate of 3% that 15 million a year in interest.
I don’t see that as good or profitable. Even a rink paid for in cash, and a reasonable increase of 10 million a year, 50 years to break even. Lol.
Sooo smart
EM the mad rink builder, in the same city... duhhh That would be legendary stupidity
I think he's referring to how he's run his business in to the ground.
 
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It's only like that because the Sens are trash. My circle of friends is the same, they won't take tickets for free at the moment.

But, the instant they become good again, and there is belief they can win each night people will want tickets again. It is exaclty what happened with the 67's this year.

People who had never spoke of the 67's in their lives before, all of a sudden were the biggest fans.

Don't get me wrong, a central location is better than Kanata. But the team as it is today wouldn't be selling out in any location across Ottawa.

Just watch this year's Redblacks, they are already way down on season tickets from past years.
Ya I'm in the same boat. I turned down freebies several times the past year. I just think there's a shelf life for experiences. It has to be freshened up every now and then or else it gets stale. Unless it's really good, and let's be honest, the CTC experience is not and was not ever something to write home about.
 
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Ya I'm in the same boat. I turned down freebies several times the past year. I just think there's a shelf life for experiences. It has to be freshened up every now and then or else it gets stale. Unless it's really good, and let's be honest, the CTC experience is not and was not ever something to write home about.
It could be refreshed for sure,but that again takes money....EM has just let everything around the team rot away,and still we have people who wonder why the fans are no longer interested
 

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Ya I'm in the same boat. I turned down freebies several times the past year. I just think there's a shelf life for experiences. It has to be freshened up every now and then or else it gets stale. Unless it's really good, and let's be honest, the CTC experience is not and was not ever something to write home about.

I can remember in the cup run of 2007 they had so many people wanting to go to the CTC, even if to just hang out in the plaza at the front, that they had to restrict parking to passholders.
 

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I can remember in the cup run of 2007 they had so many people wanting to go to the CTC, even if to just hang out in the plaza at the front, that they had to restrict parking to passholders.
2007 was a different time...there was real optimism, the team was a powerhouse with the best line in hockey, the owner was loaded, the arena was only 11 years old. In 2017 they shut down the outdoor fanzone outside CTC after puck drop haha.
 

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2007 was also before social media and smart phones.

We are only scratching the surface in terms of understanding the absolutely massive ramifications of having the Internet everywhere you go.
 

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2007 was also before social media and smart phones.

We are only scratching the surface in terms of understanding the absolutely massive ramifications of having the Internet everywhere you go.
Not only that, but in 2007 a 48" tv was massive, and HD was generally 720, now a 48" tv is small.

You can have a great experience watching the game from your 4k 70" tv.
 
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Not only that, but in 2007 a 48" tv was massive, and HD was generally 720, now a 48" tv is small.

You can have a great experience watching the game from your 4k 70" tv.

Not the same as watching with an excited crowd of 20,000 while your team plays for the Cup. Not even close.
 

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Not the same as watching with an excited crowd of 20,000 while your team plays for the Cup. Not even close.
That's playoffs, very different than a Tuesday night in Kanata against Arizona when Ottawa has lost the last 4 games in a row.
 

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Not the same as watching with an excited crowd of 20,000 while your team plays for the Cup. Not even close.
Certainly not, but thequality of the experience at the rink has remained relatively static while the experience at home and even in bars has improved with the affodability of giant high def screens dropping so much. In 2007 the price of a 42 inch screen was over 1000 dollars with a good name brand over 2000 and today you can find 55 inch screens for less than half that starting around 500 and with much better image quality.

At some point you see diminishing returns for the trip out to the ctc
 

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That's playoffs, very different than a Tuesday night in Kanata against Arizona when Ottawa has lost the last 4 games in a row.

Yup. Watching the game live is always better than watching on TV. But... when the team is last place in February and you're looking at an hour-long drive to the CTC in the snow after working an 8-hour shift? Watching in HD on your 70-inch tv from the comfort of your couch is pretty appealing.
 

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Bulldoze pineview golf. Ottawa has more than enough courses to absorb the loss and it was never a very good one. Still dealing with the ncc mind you and you would have to break a lease with our old friend Michael Copeland who i think is a patner in the group currently managing the course

No LRT station nearby.
Not Centrally located.
Should have used the land the Executive Course is on to build a full fledged Casino there, decades ago, and vastly improve the Championship course to boot.
 

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Lebreton was the only viable option for Ottawa. Not being able to get something done, even though both sides wanted to get something done but still couldn't, will be the death knell of the team unfortunately.


Once the LRT is up and running, with two stations in the middle of Lebreton Flats, that will not be used for much more than making transfers ....... the City might be motivated to encourage the people involved to revisit an Arena plan.
 

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Once the LRT is up and running, with two stations in the middle of Lebreton Flats, that will not be used for much more than making transfers ....... the City might be motivated to encourage the people involved to revisit an Arena plan.
The city has pretty much exhausted all resources trying to work with these 2 bozos over the last little while. That bridge is so burnt.
 

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Once the LRT is up and running, with two stations in the middle of Lebreton Flats, that will not be used for much more than making transfers ....... the City might be motivated to encourage the people involved to revisit an Arena plan.

I'm sure everyone involved wants the arena there, but clearly it's just not going to work with Eugene. Everyone hates him, and on top of that, he's broke.

The best we can hope for is that they don't build on the chunk of land for the arena in hopes that eventually new ownership will arrive in some way shape or form. Whether it's Eugene just can't hold it together anymore, or he begins being pressured by whatever parties stand to profit from Lebreton (NCC, Devcore, NHL), or something completely unforeseen, I think it's pretty clear to everyone Eugene will eventually step aside.

Hopefully when he does there isn't a library in the arena's spot.
 
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