Regarding the draft debate

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Jaded-Fan

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John Flyers Fan said:
Snake drafts should not be used at all when a season has occurred, but a snake style draft, should absolutely be used this time when no season happened to base draft results on.

Bob McKenzie reported a few days ago that a snake style draft WILL happen this year.


For the first time we kind of agree.

I would propose as a compromise an averaging of three seasons, three tiers of drafting where teams can move anywhere in those tiers, weighted lottery . . . . and then as a give back snake the order of the draft in the second round.

That would reflect the fact that the teams who had the highest point totals still remain stacked for next year with veteran players that will compete for a Cup and teams that in no way will compete next year, again the same teams that would have legitimately been in the running for number one had there been a season.

But will allow for movement and some give back to teams who did well 2003-4 to reflect the fact that there was no season.

That would be a fair solution in my opinion that would reflect the realities of the teams and what the draft is intended to do.

As to McKenzie's reporting, a couple of days after McKenzie's article, there was a report that implied that the decision was not as settled as had been implied:

NHL draft proposal gets chilly reception

Associated Press

April 10, 2005


NHL general managers ended two days of meetings bickering among themselves. The six-hour, closed-door session between the GMs on Friday dealt with how to handle a draft that follows a season that never was. The proposal to have all 30 teams enter a lottery for the first pick was --stunningly--unpopular among teams that finished the 2003-04 season at the bottom of the standings. Usually, the draft order is set based on the previous season's standings

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune...ack=1&cset=true
 

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The more debate I hear about the draft the more convinced I become that it is going to end rather badly. I don’t care how badly the league wants Crosby – they need to have a draft based on seasonal results and if that means waiting until February and using the 41-game point to determine drafting position, so be it . . . . . . any other plan is going to be deemed unfair, contrived, and smack of conspiracy.
 

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Jaded-Fan said:
With a $42 million salary cap, 24% roll back, only a handful of players remaining under contract, how many big market teams will take any hit at all from the new CBA? Even one?

That is a myth. If the new CBA had gone into effect last year perhaps one or two teams, Toronto and Detroit come to mind, may have struggled to get under the numbers. Next year though? Name one team. And yet they have tied up the star players, the Vets who will make them the favorites, yet again, for the Cup next year while the same ones who would have been in line for a chance at Crosby will be in line for a chance at Kessel. Does anyone really believe otherwise?

Nice logic you all use to justify your grab for the icing on your already pretty well made cakes of vetern skilled teams. Too bad it has no basis in reality.

so Colorado will be able to bring back Blake Forsberg, Tanguay, Sakic, Foote? Ph
 

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triggrman said:
so Colorado will be able to bring back Blake Forsberg, Tanguay, Sakic, Foote? Ph


Colorado would have fielded a far better team last year than any of the bottom 7 or 8 from 2003-4. They will put on the ice a better team next year than any of those teams next year.

Some of those teams at the bottom have some nice prospects. Maybe one or two may play for some of those teams next year. Do you think that will make those teams able to compete with the Veteran laden teams like Colorado will remain next year? Yes, teams like Colorado eventually have to rebuild. That time is quickly approaching. But it is not here yet where suddenly the Pens, Caps, Preds, etc will switch places with Detroit, Toronto, and Colorado, let alone Tampa Bay or Calgary who are young and loaded.
 

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Jaded-Fan said:
Colorado would have fielded a far better team last year than any of the bottom 7 or 8 from 2003-4. They will put on the ice a better team next year than any of those teams next year.

Some of those teams at the bottom have some nice prospects. Maybe one or two may play for some of those teams next year. Do you think that will make those teams able to compete with the Veteran laden teams like Colorado will remain next year? Yes, teams like Colorado eventually have to rebuild. That time is quickly approaching. But it is not here yet where suddenly the Pens, Caps, Preds, etc will switch places with Detroit, Toronto, and Colorado, let alone Tampa Bay or Calgary who are young and loaded.
So you're saying Nashville can't be as good next season as Calgary or Tampa? Nashville was as good this season as Calgary. You think Nashville is on the same class as the Pens, and Caps? This has little to do with the argument though.

I'm saying it should be an even draft. Everyone is at some sort of disadvantage somewhere, whether it be the high dollar teams that need to rebuild or the lower end teams that have begun rebuilding. No season was played, there are no standings everyone should be on equal ground.

I'm a Nashville fan, and we would benefit greatly buy using the last 3 years standings instead of last years standings, but that doesn't make it fair. Do you think Detroit fans think that it's fair that they've traded prospects for rights to players they won't have the ability to resign this year, because of the salary cap? Do you think it's fair that Pittsburg and Washington would get priority 2 years in a row?

How is it fair that Washington can add Rob Blake as a free agent then still get the first shot at Crosby?

Why is it not fair to give everyone an equal chance under the new equal NHL?
 

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triggrman said:
So you're saying Nashville can't be as good next season as Calgary or Tampa? Nashville was as good this season as Calgary. You think Nashville is on the same class as the Pens, and Caps? This has little to do with the argument though.

I'm saying it should be an even draft. Everyone is at some sort of disadvantage somewhere, whether it be the high dollar teams that need to rebuild or the lower end teams that have begun rebuilding. No season was played, there are no standings everyone should be on equal ground.

I'm a Nashville fan, and we would benefit greatly buy using the last 3 years standings instead of last years standings, but that doesn't make it fair. Do you think Detroit fans think that it's fair that they've traded prospects for rights to players they won't have the ability to resign this year, because of the salary cap? Do you think it's fair that Pittsburg and Washington would get priority 2 years in a row?

How is it fair that Washington can add Rob Blake as a free agent then still get the first shot at Crosby?

Why is it not fair to give everyone an equal chance under the new equal NHL?

Exactly. With the new NHL comes back who knows how teams would fare. A significant number of players will retire or stay in Europe. As well, the big spenders won't have loaded teams and will be affected.

Who's to say a Nashville or Columbus won't do better? especially with more parity in the league. Look at Calgary. One year a non-playoff team to within a win of the Stanley Cup the next year.

It will be interesting to see what happens. Teams that did badly in 2003-2004 were already rewarded with the 2004 draft. I don't feel it's fair for them to get rewarded twice for sucking one year.
 
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