OT: Regarding Coronavirus (COVID-19)

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BHD

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Since the topic is appearing in numerous threads, we're going to have a thread for the virus. The rules, as always, apply here. However, due to the sensitivity of the topic, this thread will be closely watched. Therefore...

- No flaming
- No trolling
- No politics
- No spam
- No thread hijacking

If it turns out that everyone gets worked up and can't be civil, then this thread will be closed.
 
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Empoleon8771

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Like I've said a couple of times, I think the NHL playoffs at minimum get locked down from fans and at maximum get shut down entirely. With how the DEL and SEL are getting shut down, I really don't see a way the NHL comes out of this unscathed.
 

Turin

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Looking at current mortality stats, this is just heavens judgement on boomers. We must protect JR.
 

Randy Butternubs

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Can we flame the virus?

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Jaded-Fan

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Not to diminish something that kills people, but the overreaction is ridiculous.

The flu has killed 20,000 so far this year and we are only three months in. But do people react to the flu? No.

Like the flu, this mainly impacts those who are elderly and have underlying conditions such as heart, undergoing chemo, etc. If you fall into those categories then stay away from crowds, cancel vacations, etc. If not, as long as you take reasonable precautions you should be fine. Wash often, do not seek out crowded situations like queing up to be first on the plane.

Speaking of planes, the air is heavily filtered so safe. Clean your table with a disinfecting wipe.

Do not be a moron and buy a standard surgical mask. Those keep you from infecting others, or specifically keep surgeons from for instance coughing into an open wound. They do zero to keep you from getting infection from others.

Also, spring should just like with the flu see major diminishing of the impact of the virus.

Again, not diminishing something that kills people, but at the same time overreacting is as wrong. And dangerous. The stock market as an example. People are destroying their retirements out of not warranted fear and that kills people too.
 
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ZeroPucksGiven

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Not to diminish something that kills people, but the overreaction is ridiculous.

The flu has killed 20,000 so far this year and we are only three months in. But do people react to the flu? No.

Like the flu, this mainly impacts those who are elderly and have underlying conditions such as hearth, undergoing chemo, etc. If you fall into those categories then stay away from crowds, cancel vacations, etc. If not, as long as you take reasonable precautions you should be fine. Wash often, do not seek out crowded situations like queing up to be first on the plane.

Speaking of planes, the air is heavily filtered so safe. Clean your table with a disinfecting wipe.

Do not be a moron and buy a standard surgical mask. Those keep you from infecting others, or specifically keep surgeons from for instance coughing into an open wound. They do zero to keep you from getting infection from others.

Also, spring should just like with the flu see major diminishing of the impact of the virus.

Again, not diminishing something that kills people, but at the same so time overreacting is as wrong. The stock market as an example. People are destroying their retirements out of not warranted fear and that kills people too.

This post is entirely too rational. I demand you never post here again
 

HandshakeLine

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This post is entirely too rational. I demand you never post here again

It is, and it isn't.

People shouldn't panic like it's the end of the world, but this seems like it's way harder on people with underlying conditions than what the flu usually is. Plus there's the economic downturn the lost productivity entails.

Honestly, if we all had health and social infrastructure like South Korea, it'd be a novel, but generally harmless thing. The thing that's making this a real kick in the teeth, is that... well, yinz back home don't.
 

Jaded-Fan

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It is, and it isn't.

People shouldn't panic like it's the end of the world, but this seems like it's way harder on people with underlying conditions than what the flu usually is. Plus there's the economic downturn the lost productivity entails.

Honestly, if we all had health and social infrastructure like South Korea, it'd be a novel, but generally harmless thing. The thing that's making this a real kick in the teeth, is that... well, yinz back home don't.

I don't disagree.

But my main point is the last paragraph. For most here the chance of anything other than at worst a mild reaction is ridiculously small. But the chance of overreacting and emptying your retirement plan from your stock based index fund forever setting your compounded interest retirement plan back is very large.

The point is to take reasonable precautions and don't do anything stupid in reaction.
 

Speaking Moistly

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Seconding that people shouldn't go into a panic but it's not something to ignore either.

Also, stop hoarding toilet paper ffs.
 

HandshakeLine

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I had dinner with a Chinese diplomat over Chinese New Year who also straight up told me Beijing is way underreporting. Take it what you will. :dunno:

And the US certainly has more than we know at the moment too.
 

Malkinstheman

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Not to diminish something that kills people, but the overreaction is ridiculous.

The flu has killed 20,000 so far this year and we are only three months in. But do people react to the flu? No.

Like the flu, this mainly impacts those who are elderly and have underlying conditions such as heart, undergoing chemo, etc. If you fall into those categories then stay away from crowds, cancel vacations, etc. If not, as long as you take reasonable precautions you should be fine. Wash often, do not seek out crowded situations like queing up to be first on the plane.

Speaking of planes, the air is heavily filtered so safe. Clean your table with a disinfecting wipe.

Do not be a moron and buy a standard surgical mask. Those keep you from infecting others, or specifically keep surgeons from for instance coughing into an open wound. They do zero to keep you from getting infection from others.

Also, spring should just like with the flu see major diminishing of the impact of the virus.

Again, not diminishing something that kills people, but at the same time overreacting is as wrong. And dangerous. The stock market as an example. People are destroying their retirements out of not warranted fear and that kills people too.

I agree that people are overreacting but its not totally unfounded.

Flu shot better than last year, despite tough season for kids

The article mentions that 16k people have died from the flu and 29 million have had it. Thats a mortality rate of 0.055%. The last reported numbers I saw for Corona were 3k deaths and 100,000 cases. Lets say the case number is too low and double it. 3k/200,000 = 1.5%.

I think the main fear is how much more fatal Corona is than the flu. Of course healthy people under 40 or maybe 50 dont have too much to worry about but still.
 

ZeroPucksGiven

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Unsure what this person's true credentials are, but seems like a reasonable approach. Found on fb
*****
I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?
I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.
#washurhands #geturflushot #respect #patiencenotpanic
 
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Gurglesons

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People do realize the issue isn’t the effects of the virus. The issue is the effects multiple people being put into ICU and the hospital has on infrastructure. Leading to common problems like a broken finger or something less severe becoming a huge problem or exposing you to the virus.

It’s also the fact that multiple venues being shut down will have a huge effect on the economy. I could careless about the flu comparison. Go read about Italy. Even a month of that will be a huge deterrent economically.
 
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LOGiK

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Not to diminish something that kills people, but the overreaction is ridiculous.

The flu has killed 20,000 so far this year and we are only three months in. But do people react to the flu? No.

Like the flu, this mainly impacts those who are elderly and have underlying conditions such as heart, undergoing chemo, etc. If you fall into those categories then stay away from crowds, cancel vacations, etc. If not, as long as you take reasonable precautions you should be fine. Wash often, do not seek out crowded situations like queing up to be first on the plane.

Speaking of planes, the air is heavily filtered so safe. Clean your table with a disinfecting wipe.

Do not be a moron and buy a standard surgical mask. Those keep you from infecting others, or specifically keep surgeons from for instance coughing into an open wound. They do zero to keep you from getting infection from others.

Also, spring should just like with the flu see major diminishing of the impact of the virus.

Again, not diminishing something that kills people, but at the same time overreacting is as wrong. And dangerous. The stock market as an example. People are destroying their retirements out of not warranted fear and that kills people too.


I'm more worried about mosquitoes honestly. Those little bastards can carry god knows what.
Only downfall of the summer for me... well, mosquitoes and ticks.
 

Jacob

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People do realize the issue isn’t the effects of the virus. The issue is the effects multiple people being put into ICU and the hospital has on infrastructure. Leading to common problems like a broken finger or something less severe becoming a huge problem or exposing you to the virus.
Yeah there’s a very real possibility of having too many patients and not enough beds or equipment to treat them all. The severe cases need oxygen tanks and there are already people in hospitals with like severe bacterial pneumonia, COPD, etc.
 

Speaking Moistly

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People do realize the issue isn’t the effects of the virus. The issue is the effects multiple people being put into ICU and the hospital has on infrastructure. Leading to common problems like a broken finger or something less severe becoming a huge problem or exposing you to the virus.

It’s also the fact that multiple venues being shut down will have a huge effect on the economy. I could careless about the flu comparison. Go read about Italy. Even a month of that will be a huge deterrent economically.

The issue is the effects of the virus and healthcare systems getting overwhelmed. I’ve see a lot of people online not giving a damn about the people who are at risk because they themselves don’t fall into any of those groups, and they’re still people with lives, friends, family, responsibilities, etc. The widespread concern has to be healthcare systems, though.

The less severe is one thing. I’m not at risk now and a broken finger won’t change that but say I get in a serious car accident. For one thing, coronavirus isn’t something my body would shrug off anymore, if exposed. For another, what’s the hospital situation like? ICU beds? Staff? Medical equipment?

And, yeah, it’s going to suck for the economy and employment. People are probably going to lose businesses like restaurants over this and some people won’t make the same amount of money.
 

HandshakeLine

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Wait, so we’re not supposed to panic because authorities don’t have all data, but people are taking Facebook posts at face value over actual credentialed experts in the field because they’re mad about people being unreasonable?

I’m officially confused.
 
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