Reference - VsX comprehensive summary (1927 to 2023)

[BenchBrawl]

Hey @Hockey Outsider , when you have the time can you post the benchmarks for all systems in non-table format just so we can copy/paste them and calculate the year by year ourselves?

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Hey @Hockey Outsider , when you have the time can you post the benchmarks for all systems in non-table format just so we can copy/paste them and calculate the year by year ourselves?

The benchmarks for points, goals and assists are on the first page - let me know if those aren't easy to read. Here are the benchmarks for PPG:

Year	PPG
1927	0.73
1928	0.89
1929	0.66
1930	1.48
1931	1.16
1932	1.09
1933	0.92
1934	0.92
1935	1.05
1936	0.89
1937	0.87
1938	0.92
1939	0.98
1940	1.08
1941	1.04
1942	1.15
1943	1.44
1944	1.90
1945	1.56
1946	1.20
1947	1.18
1948	1.00
1949	1.00
1950	1.00
1951	1.02
1952	0.99
1953	0.87
1954	0.89
1955	1.07
1956	1.13
1957	1.10
1958	1.20
1959	1.26
1960	1.20
1961	1.30
1962	1.20
1963	1.17
1964	1.24
1965	1.19
1966	1.15
1967	1.03
1968	1.15
1969	1.45
1970	1.13
1971	1.13
1972	1.36
1973	1.46
1974	1.14
1975	1.51
1976	1.56
1977	1.31
1978	1.46
1979	1.49
1980	1.48
1981	1.69
1982	1.84
1983	1.65
1984	1.51
1985	1.63
1986	1.78
1987	1.39
1988	1.64
1989	1.69
1990	1.60
1991	1.68
1992	1.64
1993	1.76
1994	1.51
1995	1.46
1996	1.58
1997	1.52
1998	1.26
1999	1.43
2000	1.35
2001	1.39
2002	1.17
2003	1.36
2004	1.15
2006	1.34
2007	1.39
2008	1.36
2009	1.38
2010	1.37
2011	1.27
2012	1.21
2013	1.25
2014	1.20
2015	1.08
2016	1.09
2017	1.19

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[BenchBrawl]

Ah, thank you, missed them on the first page.

 

[GlitchMarner]

I have a question...

Is it possible that certain players who played during the time that Lemieux and Gretzky were dominating the scoring race are at a disadvantage? See my post about whether 1980s wingers were comparatively weak.

If whoever finished second in points between Gretzky and Lemieux is the player whose performance other players' VsX totals are being set relative to, then isn't there a disadvantage in cases such as Yzerman's 1989 season (when had had one of the highest scoring seasons ever by a player other than Gretzky and Lemieux but only finished third in scoring)?

 

[Hockey Outsider]

In theory, it shouldn't matter. See Sturminator's post explaining the method - http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/post-consolidation-vsx-benchmarks.1361409/

The system doesn't assign the #2 scorer as the benchmark in each year. That's the starting point, but it gets adjusted if the scoring race doesn't follow a normal distribution ("normal" meaning routine - not a reference to probability distribution).

For example in 1987, both Gretzky and Lemieux are treated as outliers and earn great scores (128 and 114 respectively). Savard, the highest scoring non-outlier, becomes the benchmark of 100. Then Dale Hawerchuk and everyone else are benchmarked against him. It would have been punitive to compare Savard etc against Lemieux, when he was an outlier.

1989 is a weird season. There are four players far ahead of anyone else. Based on Sturm's rules, the benchmark is 139 (a point total that no player achieved in real life). All four of the outliers (Lemieux, Gretky, Yzerman and Nicholls) earn scores over 100. The rest of the pack (led by Brown, Coffey and Mullen) get compared to the fictitious point total of 139, so their scores are slightly depressed. But I think this makes sense. If we treated 5th place Brown as the benchmark, we'd have four players with historically great seasons - that doesn't feel right. But treating 2nd place Gretzky as a benchmark doesn't make sense either - as Yzerman's excellent season would be underrated, as would everyone else after him.

The same thing happens in 1979 (this illustrates that the method cares about performance, not names - as obviously Gretzky and Lemieux didn't play this season). Trottier, Dionne, Lafleur and Bossy are way ahead of everyone else. They all get 100+ scores, and there's a big drop off towards 5th place.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

As a follow-up, here's the average score of the top ten scorers each year from 1980-2017:

1980	92.9
1981	87.9
1982	90.1
1983	96.0
1984	102.6
1985	92.7
1986	94.7
1987	101.8
1988	93.2
1989	94.2
1990	90.1
1991	100.6
1992	95.3
1993	91.4
1994	91.2
1995	86.6
1996	100.8
1997	90.0
1998	96.9
1999	92.2
2000	91.6
2001	102.1
2002	91.0
2003	91.9
2004	95.7
2006	99.1
2007	90.9
2008	90.7
2009	87.6
2010	89.4
2011	90.3
2012	89.6
2013	94.7
2014	96.6
2015	92.9
2016	93.5
2017	94.8

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The average is 93.6. There's a slight skew in the data, but all of the years are within -8% to +10% of the average. As there's going to be some degree of natural variation in how the top scorers perform each year, that range doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

 

[GlitchMarner]

Thanks. I think the adjustment factor is sensible and integral to keeping the results fair.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

The first twelve tables have been updated for 2018. If anything looks questionable, let me know - I've tried to automate this process as best I could, but it's certainly possible that there are errors.

• Points, best seven years: the gainers in the top 100 were Staal (0.6), Tavares (2.1), Stamkos (5.5), Giroux (5.0), Kane (0.1) and Malkin (3.1).
• Points, best ten years: the gainers in the top 100 were Kopitar (3.2), Staal (1.2), Getzlaf (0.1), Backstrom (2.4), Kane (1.1), Malkin (3.9), Ovechkin (0.6) and Crosby (1.9). Crosby now ranks 9th all-time based on his ten-year peak - with no extra credit for the years he lost due to injury.
• Points, career: Crosby and Ovechkin both move into the top 40. They rank 12th and 13th all-time through a player's first thirteen seasons. H Sedin retires in 49th place, D Sedin in 59th. Staal, Malkin and Getzlaf climb into the top 100.
• Goals, best seven years: the gainers in the top 100 were Seguin (4.7), Kessel (1.4), Staal (2.4), Tavares (2.0), Malkin (2.5), Stamkos (0.2) and Ovechkin (0.3).
• Goals, best ten years: the gainers in the top 100 were Kane (1.0), Kessel (2.1), Staal (2.1), Malkin (3.0), Crosby (0.4), Stamkos (3.0), and Ovechkin (1.0). Ovechkin now has the 4th highest ten-year goal-scoring peak (prime?) in NHL history.
• Goals, career: Ovechkin now ranks 11th all-time (one goal out of the top ten). He's also second to Bobby Hull in goals scored through a player's first thirteen years. Marleau climbs past 600 VsX goals, into the top thirty. Nash ends the season with exactly 500 VsX goals; Crosby is about a season away.
• Assists, best seven years: the gainers in the top 100 were Kane (0.7), Giroux (3.2) and Crosby (0.4).
• Assists, best ten years: the gainers in the top 100 were Kopitar (2.1), Zetterberg (0.6), Kane (0.8), Malkin (2.5), Getzlaf (0.2), Backstrom (2.0) and Crosby (1.2).
• Assists, career: H Sedin retires tied for 23rd all-time. Crosby climbs into the top fifty. Getzlaf and Backstorm both surpass 700 VsX assists.

 

[Black Gold Extractor]

Hockey Outsider, for the assists benchmark in 1985-86, you averaged the 2nd through 5th players (to give a benchmark of 85) rather than the 1st through 6th (the normal "averaging" method described by Sturminator, which gives a benchmark of 95.33). Is it now the accepted method to ignore the first outlier or is it just unique because of Gretzky's insane 163 assists?

Thanks for your work!

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Hockey Outsider, for the assists benchmark in 1985-86, you averaged the 2nd through 5th players (to give a benchmark of 85) rather than the 1st through 6th (the normal "averaging" method described by Sturminator, which gives a benchmark of 95.33). Is it now the accepted method to ignore the first outlier or is it just unique because of Gretzky's insane 163 assists?

Thanks for your work!

Good catch. That was a completely subjective adjustment - I felt that Gretzky lapped the field so thoroughly in 1986 that it would have been too punitive to use the standard approach to calculate the benchmark. I know that I documented that somewhere, but I’m not sure if that survived the data migration from last fall.

 

[GlitchMarner]

Stamkos looks like he's headed for HHOF if he can up his game in the playoffs and keep scoring at a high level in the regular season a while longer.

I'm surprised Giroux VsX 7 is THAT good. I know he's had three great seasons offensively, but I'm not sure how he has a score off 88 with three finishes in the top five in scoring and four in the top 10.

 

[Black Gold Extractor]

Good catch. That was a completely subjective adjustment - I felt that Gretzky lapped the field so thoroughly in 1986 that it would have been too punitive to use the standard approach to calculate the benchmark. I know that I documented that somewhere, but I’m not sure if that survived the data migration from last fall.

That was a good call on your part. Personally, I feel that excluding the first outlier should probably be the norm. That way, it maintains consistency, and (for most cases) it doesn't really change the benchmark as much as one would think. For example, in 88-89, the points benchmark goes from 139 to 135. In 91-92, the benchmark goes from 116 to 115.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

As requested, here's VsX - points per game edition, 1927-2018, looking at three different time frames (sorted by the seven year category).

Players	Five years	Seven years	Ten years
Wayne Gretzky	1.615	1.565	1.470
Mario Lemieux	1.432	1.390	1.290
Phil Esposito	1.396	1.312	1.179
Gordie Howe	1.292	1.219	1.146
Bobby Orr	1.334	1.215	-
Guy Lafleur	1.162	1.103	0.980
Jaromir Jagr	1.113	1.087	1.043
Sidney Crosby	1.120	1.087	1.049
Bobby Hull	1.110	1.076	1.040
Stan Mikita	1.094	1.067	1.032
Jean Beliveau	1.076	1.056	1.025
Ted Lindsay	1.096	1.047	0.965
Marcel Dionne	1.082	1.044	0.987
Syl Apps Sr	1.056	1.029	0.971
Bill Cowley	1.096	1.024	0.965
Bernie Geoffrion	1.054	1.012	0.957
Maurice Richard	1.023	1.006	0.981
Evgeni Malkin	1.029	1.004	0.970
Charlie Conacher	1.095	1.000	0.849
Howie Morenz	1.072	0.992	0.907
Mike Bossy	1.010	0.971	0.936
Alex Ovechkin	1.003	0.970	0.927
Andy Bathgate	0.997	0.963	0.912
Bryan Trottier	1.024	0.962	0.890
Eric Lindros	0.989	0.958	0.864
Joe Thornton	0.987	0.945	0.897
Steve Yzerman	1.003	0.942	0.895
Joe Sakic	0.962	0.940	0.904
Busher Jackson	1.016	0.933	0.823
Elmer Lach	0.957	0.929	0.878
Jari Kurri	0.998	0.929	0.852
Peter Forsberg	0.949	0.927	0.873
Paul Coffey	0.953	0.926	0.870
Bill Cook	0.987	0.923	0.814
Jean Ratelle	0.960	0.922	0.878
Max Bentley	0.990	0.921	0.836
Peter Stastny	0.945	0.920	0.858
Patrick Kane	0.972	0.918	0.840
Sweeney Schriner	0.979	0.917	0.843
Frank Boucher	0.935	0.911	0.848
Bobby Clarke	0.945	0.907	0.833
Doug Bentley	0.942	0.906	0.828
Norm Ullman	0.960	0.906	0.856
Frank Mahovlich	0.931	0.905	0.863
Mark Messier	0.934	0.904	0.868
Teemu Selanne	0.921	0.901	0.866
Gordie Drillon	0.974	0.898	-
John Bucyk	0.932	0.895	0.862
Nels Stewart	0.918	0.891	0.864
Martin St. Louis	0.936	0.889	0.831
Adam Oates	0.937	0.887	0.841
Denis Savard	0.913	0.885	0.838
Darryl Sittler	0.926	0.883	0.817
Milt Schmidt	0.906	0.879	0.827
Marty Barry	0.924	0.877	0.791
Gilbert Perreault	0.890	0.872	0.835
Henri Richard	0.899	0.871	0.837
Ron Francis	0.892	0.868	0.831
Steven Stamkos	0.898	0.867	-
Ken Hodge	0.949	0.865	0.782
Ryan Getzlaf	0.882	0.864	0.834
Pavel Datsyuk	0.875	0.858	0.833
Rod Gilbert	0.890	0.857	0.819
Toe Blake	0.881	0.856	0.816
Roy Conacher	0.888	0.855	-
Nicklas Backstrom	0.878	0.854	0.808
Claude Giroux	0.890	0.853	0.758
Daniel Alfredsson	0.884	0.852	0.810
Yvan Cournoyer	0.880	0.850	0.789
Dale Hawerchuk	0.889	0.849	0.804
Brett Hull	0.891	0.848	0.807
Pierre Turgeon	0.890	0.848	0.807
Ilya Kovalchuk	0.883	0.847	0.787
Sid Abel	0.904	0.846	0.768
Alex Delvecchio	0.861	0.846	0.826
Jason Spezza	0.887	0.844	0.793
Jarome Iginla	0.889	0.843	0.790
Dickie Moore	0.928	0.842	0.741
Pavel Bure	0.882	0.833	-
John Tavares	0.862	0.830	-
Henrik Zetterberg	0.845	0.827	0.784
Bernie Nicholls	0.868	0.826	0.777
Pat LaFontaine	0.874	0.826	0.755
Ted Kennedy	0.867	0.823	0.773
Paul Thompson	0.887	0.823	0.704
Michel Goulet	0.886	0.823	0.741
Daniel Sedin	0.869	0.819	0.771
Henrik Sedin	0.858	0.818	0.778
Paul Kariya	0.852	0.818	0.763
Bernie Federko	0.842	0.815	0.775
Alexander Mogilny	0.838	0.814	0.778
Mark Recchi	0.833	0.814	0.776
Jamie Benn	0.857	0.814	-
Jacques Lemaire	0.829	0.810	0.761
Kent Nilsson	0.826	0.807	-
Phil Goyette	0.850	0.804	0.726
Dave Taylor	0.839	0.803	0.742
Ziggy Palffy	0.824	0.803	0.742
Dany Heatley	0.858	0.802	0.730
Doug Gilmour	0.834	0.802	0.764
Luc Robitaille	0.814	0.801	0.775
Hooley Smith	0.867	0.798	0.708
Herbie Lewis	0.841	0.798	0.685
Mike Modano	0.820	0.796	0.768
Mats Sundin	0.811	0.793	0.770
Marian Hossa	0.828	0.793	0.764
Pavol Demitra	0.806	0.791	0.745
Aurel Joliat	0.849	0.791	0.722
Lynn Patrick	0.869	0.790	0.687
Theoren Fleury	0.820	0.790	0.745
Sergei Fedorov	0.826	0.789	0.752
Syd Howe	0.811	0.786	0.752
Taylor Hall	0.834	0.785	-
Marc Savard	0.843	0.784	0.706
Keith Tkachuk	0.805	0.783	0.758
Markus Naslund	0.861	0.780	0.694
Tyler Seguin	0.848	0.777	-
Phil Kessel	0.816	0.776	0.728
Red Kelly	0.801	0.775	0.726
Eric Staal	0.802	0.774	0.740
Anze Kopitar	0.796	0.774	0.744
Rick Martin	0.816	0.771	-
Bert Olmstead	0.800	0.769	0.714
Patrik Elias	0.796	0.768	0.727
Raymond Bourque	0.798	0.767	0.726
Cecil Dillon	0.797	0.766	0.681
Bryan Hextall	0.842	0.763	0.685
Joe Primeau	0.910	0.763	-
Marian Gaborik	0.796	0.763	0.719
John LeClair	0.800	0.763	0.681
Brad Richards	0.803	0.760	0.721
Jeremy Roenick	0.778	0.759	0.731
Pete Mahovlich	0.803	0.759	0.711
Phil Watson	0.796	0.756	0.694
Rick Middleton	0.789	0.754	0.699
Dave Keon	0.782	0.754	0.721
Denis Potvin	0.803	0.752	0.706
Bill Mosienko	0.781	0.751	0.716
Vincent Lecavalier	0.782	0.751	0.715
Bobby Rousseau	0.799	0.751	0.692
Brendan Shanahan	0.773	0.750	0.724
Blake Wheeler	0.781	0.750	0.642
Corey Perry	0.784	0.750	0.698
Lanny McDonald	0.784	0.749	0.706
Rene Robert	0.785	0.749	0.686
Cooney Weiland	0.800	0.749	0.667
Jonathan Toews	0.772	0.743	0.709
Clint Smith	0.799	0.742	0.664
Alex Kovalev	0.801	0.741	0.685
Rick MacLeish	0.795	0.739	0.676
Johnny Gottselig	0.766	0.738	0.694
Charlie Simmer	0.786	0.737	-
Bobby Bauer	0.801	0.737	-
Erik Karlsson	0.797	0.736	-
Doug Weight	0.752	0.736	0.709
Alex Tanguay	0.772	0.734	0.696
Lorne Carr	0.777	0.733	0.674
Glenn Anderson	0.772	0.733	0.687
Don McKenney	0.757	0.732	0.669
Tim Kerr	0.808	0.732	-
Dino Ciccarelli	0.770	0.732	0.689
Joe Nieuwendyk	0.753	0.729	0.696
Joe Pavelski	0.776	0.729	0.673
Joe Mullen	0.753	0.729	0.692
Alex Zhamnov	0.776	0.727	0.676
Mike Ribeiro	0.744	0.727	0.678
Pierre Larouche	0.776	0.726	0.675
Tod Sloan	0.776	0.725	0.634
Bun Cook	0.742	0.725	0.689
Zach Parise	0.749	0.724	0.672
Brad Park	0.745	0.724	0.677
Ray Whitney	0.741	0.724	0.704
Larry Aurie	0.846	0.722	0.613
Pit Martin	0.782	0.721	0.668
Eddie Wiseman	0.755	0.720	0.623
Alexei Yashin	0.746	0.718	0.685
Brian Propp	0.759	0.718	0.678
Rick Nash	0.750	0.716	0.679
Cam Neely	0.763	0.716	0.635
Alexander Semin	0.777	0.715	0.632
Steve Shutt	0.775	0.714	0.645
Buddy O'Connor	0.776	0.714	0.641
Dennis Maruk	0.761	0.713	0.653
Patrick Marleau	0.733	0.712	0.678
Bobby Smith	0.753	0.712	0.679
Camille Henry	0.733	0.708	0.649
Jakub Voracek	0.760	0.707	0.620
Bill Thoms	0.776	0.707	0.637
Woody Dumart	0.745	0.706	0.663
Dit Clapper	0.739	0.706	0.664
Peter Bondra	0.742	0.705	0.660
Red Berenson	0.769	0.704	0.609
Milan Hejduk	0.734	0.704	0.663
Kevin Stevens	0.773	0.702	0.604
Syl Apps	0.772	0.702	0.603
Thomas Vanek	0.734	0.701	0.663
Johnny Gagnon	0.766	0.700	0.591
Vincent Damphousse	0.720	0.700	0.674
Fred Stanfield	0.758	0.700	0.609
Wayne Cashman	0.754	0.698	0.655

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[VanIslander]

As requested, here's VsX - points per game edition, 1927-2018, looking at three different time frames (sorted by the seven year category).

Abel and Delvecchio dead equal over the 7-year stretch! As usual, they seem so equivalent.
Syl Apps Sr. and Bill Cowley ahead of the Rocket and Boom Boom? Wow.
Conacher ahead of Morenz, Lach ahead of Forsberg, Ullman ahead of Messier, Gilbert ahead of Blake, Lewis ahead of Joliat, ... Love it.
Bourque the top defenseman even though he played injured more often than not (unless Red Kelly's numbers are from his defenseman earlier days), then Potvin, Karlsson and Park.

 

[Dingo]

Do you have a program in order to run numbers, or is it a painstaking process? Im asking because Ive always wanted to see this in a five, or even three year format...

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Do you have a program in order to run numbers, or is it a painstaking process? Im asking because Ive always wanted to see this in a five, or even three year format...

It's almost entirely automated. It's tricky to do set it up properly for consecutive seasons, but if you just want to see top 3 or top 5 years for points, that shouldn't take more than 10-15 minutes to generate.

 

[Dingo]

It's almost entirely automated. It's tricky to do set it up properly for consecutive seasons, but if you just want to see top 3 or top 5 years for points, that shouldn't take more than 10-15 minutes to generate.

i wasnt looking for consecutive. It would be great to see top 5 years.

 

[streitz]

There's a lot of effort put into this thread, still not as important as the eye test though.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

There's a lot of effort put into this thread, still not as important as the eye test though.

For the record I've had this set up for 6-7 years (maybe longer - it all starts to blur together after a while). It takes me no more than an hour to update this entire thread once per year.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

i wasnt looking for consecutive. It would be great to see top 5 years.

Ask and ye shall receive (top five years, non consecutive):

1	Wayne Gretzky	160.7
2	Phil Esposito	138.6
3	Gordie Howe	131.8
4	Bobby Orr	129.4
5	Mario Lemieux	126.1
6	Jaromir Jagr	119.4
7	Guy Lafleur	114.4
8	Stan Mikita	112.2
9	Bobby Hull	111.6
10	Howie Morenz	111.1
11	Marcel Dionne	108.7
12	Jean Beliveau	108.5
13	Ted Lindsay	108.3
14	Charlie Conacher	106.6
15	Sidney Crosby	104.6
16	Maurice Richard	104.5
17	Bill Cowley	103.6
18	Bill Cook	103.2
19	Andy Bathgate	103.2
20	Joe Sakic	101.5
21	Alex Ovechkin	100.8
22	Joe Thornton	99.5
23	Max Bentley	99.4
24	Bryan Trottier	99.0
25	Evgeni Malkin	98.8
26	Syl Apps Sr	98.6
27	Mike Bossy	97.9
28	Martin St. Louis	97.8
29	Frank Boucher	97.8
30	Sweeney Schriner	97.5
31	Steve Yzerman	97.0
32	Peter Forsberg	96.4
33	Bobby Clarke	95.4
34	Busher Jackson	95.4
35	Patrick Kane	95.1
36	Teemu Selanne	95.0
37	Norm Ullman	94.5
38	Bernie Geoffrion	94.3
39	Milt Schmidt	94.2
40	Jari Kurri	94.0
41	Nels Stewart	93.4
42	Marty Barry	93.4
43	Dickie Moore	93.2
44	Gordie Drillon	92.9
45	John Bucyk	92.9
46	Peter Stastny	92.8
47	Claude Giroux	92.8
48	Steven Stamkos	92.7
49	Doug Bentley	92.6
50	Mark Messier	92.3
51	Adam Oates	92.3
52	Jean Ratelle	92.2
53	Ken Hodge	92.1
54	Pavel Bure	92.1
55	Sid Abel	92.0
56	Brett Hull	91.7
57	Elmer Lach	91.5
58	Bryan Hextall	91.2
59	Paul Coffey	91.2
60	Nicklas Backstrom	91.0
61	Mark Recchi	90.8
62	Jarome Iginla	90.5
63	Darryl Sittler	90.2
64	Henri Richard	90.2
65	Ron Francis	90.1
66	Dale Hawerchuk	90.0
67	Markus Naslund	89.8
68	Frank Mahovlich	89.8
69	Jamie Benn	89.4
70	Paul Kariya	89.4
71	Aurel Joliat	89.1
72	Henrik Sedin	89.0
73	Eric Lindros	88.9
74	Paul Thompson	88.9
75	Syd Howe	88.9
76	Denis Savard	88.7
77	Toe Blake	88.6
78	Ilya Kovalchuk	88.6
79	Gilbert Perreault	88.2
80	Roy Conacher	87.9
81	Joe Primeau	87.8
82	Phil Kessel	87.3
83	Alex Delvecchio	86.8
84	Luc Robitaille	86.4
85	Ryan Getzlaf	86.4
86	John LeClair	86.3
87	Cooney Weiland	85.8
88	Doug Gilmour	85.7
89	Daniel Alfredsson	85.7
90	Rod Gilbert	85.6
91	Lynn Patrick	85.6
92	Hooley Smith	85.5
93	Michel Goulet	85.5
94	Dany Heatley	85.5
95	John Tavares	85.4
96	Marian Hossa	85.3
97	Theoren Fleury	85.2
98	Pavel Datsyuk	85.2
99	Tyler Seguin	85.1
100	Ziggy Palffy	85.0
101	Bernie Nicholls	84.5
102	Bobby Bauer	84.4
103	Jeremy Roenick	84.4
104	Patrik Elias	84.2
105	Mats Sundin	84.1
106	Daniel Sedin	83.9
107	Sergei Fedorov	83.8
108	Pierre Turgeon	83.7
109	Mike Modano	83.7
110	Phil Watson	83.3
111	Eric Staal	83.2
112	Erik Karlsson	82.8
113	Larry Aurie	82.4
114	Neil Colville	82.4
115	Ted Kennedy	82.4
116	Pat LaFontaine	82.3
117	Blake Wheeler	82.2
118	Brendan Shanahan	82.2
119	Alexei Yashin	82.2
120	Jason Spezza	82.1
121	Alexander Mogilny	82.0
122	Doug Weight	81.8
123	Brad Richards	81.8
124	Henrik Zetterberg	81.7
125	Keith Tkachuk	81.6
126	Cecil Dillon	81.5
127	Bert Olmstead	81.4
128	Alex Kovalev	81.4
129	Bobby Rousseau	81.3
130	Anze Kopitar	81.3
131	Phil Goyette	81.3
132	Ace Bailey	81.2
133	Pavol Demitra	81.1
134	Clint Smith	81.1
135	Herbie Lewis	80.9
136	Jacques Lemaire	80.9
137	Vincent Lecavalier	80.7
138	Taylor Hall	80.7
139	Joe Pavelski	80.6
140	Rick MacLeish	80.5
141	Bernie Federko	80.5
142	Paul Ronty	80.5
143	Denis Potvin	80.4
144	Billy Taylor	80.3
145	Milan Hejduk	80.1
146	Jason Allison	80.0
147	Kent Nilsson	79.7
148	Corey Perry	79.6
149	Jakub Voracek	79.6
150	Bill Thoms	79.6
151	Marc Savard	79.4
152	Pete Mahovlich	79.2
153	Lanny McDonald	79.2
154	Yvan Cournoyer	78.9
155	Raymond Bourque	78.9
156	Bun Cook	78.9
157	Lorne Carr	78.7
158	Tod Sloan	78.5
159	Rick Middleton	78.4
160	Don McKenney	78.2
161	Bill Mosienko	78.2
162	Dit Clapper	78.0
163	Red Kelly	77.9
164	Brian Leetch	77.8
165	Ed Litzenberger	77.4
166	Johnny Gottselig	77.4
167	Steve Shutt	77.3
168	Kenny Wharram	77.1
169	Woody Dumart	77.1
170	Alex Tanguay	77.1
171	Peter Bondra	77.0
172	Tony Amonte	76.7
173	Kevin Stevens	76.7
174	Rick Martin	76.7
175	Mike Ribeiro	76.6
176	Syl Apps	76.3
177	Dennis Maruk	76.3
178	Baldy Northcott	76.2
179	Jonathan Toews	76.2
180	Todd Bertuzzi	76.2
181	Dave Keon	76.1
182	Patrick Marleau	76.0
183	Vincent Damphousse	75.9
184	Eddie Wiseman	75.9
185	Johnny Gagnon	75.8
186	Gaye Stewart	75.6
187	Dave Taylor	75.5
188	Glenn Anderson	75.4
189	Paul Haynes	75.4
190	Rene Robert	75.3
191	Steve Larmer	75.2
192	Rod Brind'Amour	75.1
193	Fred Stanfield	75.1
194	Pit Martin	74.9
195	Ebbie Goodfellow	74.8
196	Joe Mullen	74.6
197	Marian Gaborik	74.5
198	Martin Straka	74.5
199	Ray Whitney	74.4
200	Brad Marchand	74.3
201	Art Chapman	74.3
202	Zach Parise	74.1
203	Barry Pederson	73.9
204	Wayne Cashman	73.7
205	Glen Murray	73.6
206	Robert Lang	73.6
207	Bill Barber	73.6
208	Charlie Simmer	73.4
209	Jimmy Ward	73.3
210	Vladimir Tarasenko	73.3
211	Walt Tkaczuk	73.2
212	Scott Gomez	73.2
213	Joe Nieuwendyk	73.0
214	Craig Janney	73.0
215	Al MacInnis	72.9
216	Garry Unger	72.9
217	Dino Ciccarelli	72.8
218	Nikita Kucherov	72.6
219	Red Berenson	72.5
220	Max Pacioretty	72.5
221	Sid Smith	72.4
222	Steve Sullivan	72.4
223	Dave Andreychuk	72.3
224	John McKenzie	72.2
225	Thomas Vanek	72.1
226	Olli Jokinen	72.1
227	Tim Kerr	72.1
228	Brent Burns	72.1
229	Jeff Carter	71.8
230	Nicklas Lidstrom	71.7
231	Buddy O'Connor	71.7
232	Dennis Hull	71.7
233	Rick Nash	71.6
234	Camille Henry	71.5
235	Petr Nedved	71.4
236	Greg Adams	71.3
237	Bobby Smith	71.3
238	Butch Goring	71.3
239	Pierre Larouche	71.0
240	Claude Provost	71.0
241	Patrick Sharp	71.0
242	Herb Cain	70.9
243	Miroslav Satan	70.9
244	Matt Duchene	70.8
245	Wilf Paiement	70.8
246	Owen Nolan	70.7
247	Mike Gartner	70.6
248	Tom Anderson	70.3
249	Peter McNab	70.3
250	Mickey Redmond	70.2

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[Black Gold Extractor]

Looking at the 5-year point-per-game VsX, I just noticed that the gap between Bobby Orr and Guy Lafleur is bigger than the gap between Mario Lemieux and Bobby Orr. Orr is also ahead of Gordie Howe over the 5-year VsX, despite Howe's insane 4-year peak.

Orr was also good defensively.

That's obscene.

EDIT: Holy crap, Orr's also ahead of Lemieux in 5-year VsX in raw points?!

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Looking at the 5-year point-per-game VsX, I just noticed that the gap between Bobby Orr and Guy Lafleur is bigger than the gap between Mario Lemieux and Bobby Orr. Orr is also ahead of Gordie Howe over the 5-year VsX, despite Howe's insane 4-year peak.

Orr was also good defensively.

That's obscene.

EDIT: Holy crap, Orr's also ahead of Lemieux in 5-year VsX in raw points?!

It's pretty crazy when you think about it. The main reason is Orr missed very little time during that historical run from 1970 to 1975 (aside from 1973, he only missed six games in those other five years).

On the other hand, as we all know, Lemieux missed a lot of time during his best seasons. 1993 falls to 6th place - it was an extraordinarily impressive year, but he missed too much time during a very high-scoring season to have this year count as one of his top five. He missed thirty games in 1992 and 1996 alone (and then a few more in each of 1988, 1989 and 1997).

I have no doubt that Lemieux was better offensively than Orr on a per-game basis. But if you look at things on a per-season basis, I think it's reasonable to say that Orr had the better peak and short (3-5 year) prime because he was, thankfully, pretty healthy during that stretch.

 

[Dingo]

Ask and ye shall receive (top five years, non consecutive):

1	Wayne Gretzky	160.7
2	Phil Esposito	138.6
3	Gordie Howe	131.8
4	Bobby Orr	129.4
5	Mario Lemieux	126.1
6	Jaromir Jagr	119.4
7	Guy Lafleur	114.4
8	Stan Mikita	112.2
9	Bobby Hull	111.6
10	Howie Morenz	111.1
11	Marcel Dionne	108.7
12	Jean Beliveau	108.5
13	Ted Lindsay	108.3
14	Charlie Conacher	106.6
15	Sidney Crosby	104.6
16	Maurice Richard	104.5
17	Bill Cowley	103.6
18	Bill Cook	103.2
19	Andy Bathgate	103.2
20	Joe Sakic	101.5
21	Alex Ovechkin	100.8
22	Joe Thornton	99.5
23	Max Bentley	99.4
24	Bryan Trottier	99.0
25	Evgeni Malkin	98.8
26	Syl Apps Sr	98.6
27	Mike Bossy	97.9
28	Martin St. Louis	97.8
29	Frank Boucher	97.8
30	Sweeney Schriner	97.5
31	Steve Yzerman	97.0
32	Peter Forsberg	96.4
33	Bobby Clarke	95.4
34	Busher Jackson	95.4
35	Patrick Kane	95.1
36	Teemu Selanne	95.0
37	Norm Ullman	94.5
38	Bernie Geoffrion	94.3
39	Milt Schmidt	94.2
40	Jari Kurri	94.0
41	Nels Stewart	93.4
42	Marty Barry	93.4
43	Dickie Moore	93.2
44	Gordie Drillon	92.9
45	John Bucyk	92.9
46	Peter Stastny	92.8
47	Claude Giroux	92.8
48	Steven Stamkos	92.7
49	Doug Bentley	92.6
50	Mark Messier	92.3
51	Adam Oates	92.3
52	Jean Ratelle	92.2
53	Ken Hodge	92.1
54	Pavel Bure	92.1
55	Sid Abel	92.0
56	Brett Hull	91.7
57	Elmer Lach	91.5
58	Bryan Hextall	91.2
59	Paul Coffey	91.2
60	Nicklas Backstrom	91.0
61	Mark Recchi	90.8
62	Jarome Iginla	90.5
63	Darryl Sittler	90.2
64	Henri Richard	90.2
65	Ron Francis	90.1
66	Dale Hawerchuk	90.0
67	Markus Naslund	89.8
68	Frank Mahovlich	89.8
69	Jamie Benn	89.4
70	Paul Kariya	89.4
71	Aurel Joliat	89.1
72	Henrik Sedin	89.0
73	Eric Lindros	88.9
74	Paul Thompson	88.9
75	Syd Howe	88.9
76	Denis Savard	88.7
77	Toe Blake	88.6
78	Ilya Kovalchuk	88.6
79	Gilbert Perreault	88.2
80	Roy Conacher	87.9
81	Joe Primeau	87.8
82	Phil Kessel	87.3
83	Alex Delvecchio	86.8
84	Luc Robitaille	86.4
85	Ryan Getzlaf	86.4
86	John LeClair	86.3
87	Cooney Weiland	85.8
88	Doug Gilmour	85.7
89	Daniel Alfredsson	85.7
90	Rod Gilbert	85.6
91	Lynn Patrick	85.6
92	Hooley Smith	85.5
93	Michel Goulet	85.5
94	Dany Heatley	85.5
95	John Tavares	85.4
96	Marian Hossa	85.3
97	Theoren Fleury	85.2
98	Pavel Datsyuk	85.2
99	Tyler Seguin	85.1
100	Ziggy Palffy	85.0
101	Bernie Nicholls	84.5
102	Bobby Bauer	84.4
103	Jeremy Roenick	84.4
104	Patrik Elias	84.2
105	Mats Sundin	84.1
106	Daniel Sedin	83.9
107	Sergei Fedorov	83.8
108	Pierre Turgeon	83.7
109	Mike Modano	83.7
110	Phil Watson	83.3
111	Eric Staal	83.2
112	Erik Karlsson	82.8
113	Larry Aurie	82.4
114	Neil Colville	82.4
115	Ted Kennedy	82.4
116	Pat LaFontaine	82.3
117	Blake Wheeler	82.2
118	Brendan Shanahan	82.2
119	Alexei Yashin	82.2
120	Jason Spezza	82.1
121	Alexander Mogilny	82.0
122	Doug Weight	81.8
123	Brad Richards	81.8
124	Henrik Zetterberg	81.7
125	Keith Tkachuk	81.6
126	Cecil Dillon	81.5
127	Bert Olmstead	81.4
128	Alex Kovalev	81.4
129	Bobby Rousseau	81.3
130	Anze Kopitar	81.3
131	Phil Goyette	81.3
132	Ace Bailey	81.2
133	Pavol Demitra	81.1
134	Clint Smith	81.1
135	Herbie Lewis	80.9
136	Jacques Lemaire	80.9
137	Vincent Lecavalier	80.7
138	Taylor Hall	80.7
139	Joe Pavelski	80.6
140	Rick MacLeish	80.5
141	Bernie Federko	80.5
142	Paul Ronty	80.5
143	Denis Potvin	80.4
144	Billy Taylor	80.3
145	Milan Hejduk	80.1
146	Jason Allison	80.0
147	Kent Nilsson	79.7
148	Corey Perry	79.6
149	Jakub Voracek	79.6
150	Bill Thoms	79.6
151	Marc Savard	79.4
152	Pete Mahovlich	79.2
153	Lanny McDonald	79.2
154	Yvan Cournoyer	78.9
155	Raymond Bourque	78.9
156	Bun Cook	78.9
157	Lorne Carr	78.7
158	Tod Sloan	78.5
159	Rick Middleton	78.4
160	Don McKenney	78.2
161	Bill Mosienko	78.2
162	Dit Clapper	78.0
163	Red Kelly	77.9
164	Brian Leetch	77.8
165	Ed Litzenberger	77.4
166	Johnny Gottselig	77.4
167	Steve Shutt	77.3
168	Kenny Wharram	77.1
169	Woody Dumart	77.1
170	Alex Tanguay	77.1
171	Peter Bondra	77.0
172	Tony Amonte	76.7
173	Kevin Stevens	76.7
174	Rick Martin	76.7
175	Mike Ribeiro	76.6
176	Syl Apps	76.3
177	Dennis Maruk	76.3
178	Baldy Northcott	76.2
179	Jonathan Toews	76.2
180	Todd Bertuzzi	76.2
181	Dave Keon	76.1
182	Patrick Marleau	76.0
183	Vincent Damphousse	75.9
184	Eddie Wiseman	75.9
185	Johnny Gagnon	75.8
186	Gaye Stewart	75.6
187	Dave Taylor	75.5
188	Glenn Anderson	75.4
189	Paul Haynes	75.4
190	Rene Robert	75.3
191	Steve Larmer	75.2
192	Rod Brind'Amour	75.1
193	Fred Stanfield	75.1
194	Pit Martin	74.9
195	Ebbie Goodfellow	74.8
196	Joe Mullen	74.6
197	Marian Gaborik	74.5
198	Martin Straka	74.5
199	Ray Whitney	74.4
200	Brad Marchand	74.3
201	Art Chapman	74.3
202	Zach Parise	74.1
203	Barry Pederson	73.9
204	Wayne Cashman	73.7
205	Glen Murray	73.6
206	Robert Lang	73.6
207	Bill Barber	73.6
208	Charlie Simmer	73.4
209	Jimmy Ward	73.3
210	Vladimir Tarasenko	73.3
211	Walt Tkaczuk	73.2
212	Scott Gomez	73.2
213	Joe Nieuwendyk	73.0
214	Craig Janney	73.0
215	Al MacInnis	72.9
216	Garry Unger	72.9
217	Dino Ciccarelli	72.8
218	Nikita Kucherov	72.6
219	Red Berenson	72.5
220	Max Pacioretty	72.5
221	Sid Smith	72.4
222	Steve Sullivan	72.4
223	Dave Andreychuk	72.3
224	John McKenzie	72.2
225	Thomas Vanek	72.1
226	Olli Jokinen	72.1
227	Tim Kerr	72.1
228	Brent Burns	72.1
229	Jeff Carter	71.8
230	Nicklas Lidstrom	71.7
231	Buddy O'Connor	71.7
232	Dennis Hull	71.7
233	Rick Nash	71.6
234	Camille Henry	71.5
235	Petr Nedved	71.4
236	Greg Adams	71.3
237	Bobby Smith	71.3
238	Butch Goring	71.3
239	Pierre Larouche	71.0
240	Claude Provost	71.0
241	Patrick Sharp	71.0
242	Herb Cain	70.9
243	Miroslav Satan	70.9
244	Matt Duchene	70.8
245	Wilf Paiement	70.8
246	Owen Nolan	70.7
247	Mike Gartner	70.6
248	Tom Anderson	70.3
249	Peter McNab	70.3
250	Mickey Redmond	70.2

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Thank You!

 

[PenguinSpeed]

I put this together quickly (let me know if something looks out of line). Basically it's career VsX (for points) divided by games played (adjusted so every season is 82 games). The table is for players with 100+ games played (welcome Connor McDavid):

Player	Adj GP	VsX	VsX/GP
Mario Lemieux	926	1,409	1.52
Wayne Gretzky	1,543	2,327	1.51
Bobby Orr	700	940	1.34
Sidney Crosby	808	1,079	1.34
Connor McDavid	127	166	1.31
Syl Apps Sr	681	839	1.23
Peter Forsberg	741	882	1.19
Evgeni Malkin	728	866	1.19
Gordie Howe	2,061	2,444	1.19
Jean Beliveau	1,292	1,519	1.18
Phil Esposito	1,369	1,609	1.18
Mike Bossy	771	894	1.16
Gordie Drillon	528	607	1.15
Bobby Hull	1,203	1,376	1.14
Alex Ovechkin	955	1,080	1.13
Howie Morenz	827	934	1.13
Maurice Richard	1,255	1,403	1.12
Charlie Conacher	796	879	1.10
Joe Sakic	1,415	1,534	1.08
Bill Cowley	910	982	1.08
Jaromir Jagr	1,777	1,914	1.08
Roy Conacher	696	746	1.07
Marcel Dionne	1,388	1,484	1.07
Patrick Kane	773	823	1.06
Eric Lindros	790	840	1.06
Bernie Geoffrion	1,029	1,093	1.06
Stan Mikita	1,529	1,610	1.05
Artemi Panarin	162	170	1.05
Steven Stamkos	620	645	1.04
Pavel Bure	731	753	1.03
Nicklas Backstrom	768	790	1.03
Nels Stewart	1,082	1,106	1.02
John Gaudreau	160	163	1.02
Ziggy Palffy	707	719	1.02
Elmer Lach	917	930	1.01
Doug Bentley	827	838	1.01
Bill Cook	843	855	1.01
Sweeney Schriner	819	829	1.01
Frank Boucher	943	949	1.01
Max Bentley	876	876	1.00
Guy Lafleur	1,161	1,158	1.00
Andy Bathgate	1,236	1,226	0.99
John Tavares	621	612	0.99
Bobby Bauer	536	527	0.98
Steve Yzerman	1,561	1,529	0.98
Ilya Kovalchuk	842	824	0.98
Joe Thornton	1,480	1,440	0.97
Ryan Getzlaf	892	867	0.97
Brett Hull	1,309	1,271	0.97
Pavel Datsyuk	986	956	0.97
Joe Primeau	543	527	0.97
Toe Blake	941	911	0.97
Marty Barry	885	853	0.96
Duke Keats	153	147	0.96
Jason Spezza	915	878	0.96
Peter Stastny	1,002	957	0.96
Jamie Benn	614	587	0.96
Paul Kariya	1,022	970	0.95
Frank Mahovlich	1,328	1,260	0.95
Milt Schmidt	1,087	1,030	0.95
Ted Lindsay	1,327	1,255	0.95
Kent Nilsson	571	538	0.94
Claude Giroux	690	649	0.94
Alexander Mogilny	1,023	958	0.94
Teemu Selanne	1,512	1,415	0.94
Gilbert Perreault	1,228	1,145	0.93
Pat LaFontaine	893	832	0.93
Mats Sundin	1,379	1,284	0.93
Dickie Moore	840	781	0.93
Adam Oates	1,379	1,282	0.93
Nikita Kucherov	285	265	0.93
Rod Gilbert	1,156	1,072	0.93
Martin St. Louis	1,168	1,083	0.93
Dick Irvin	175	162	0.93
Henrik Zetterberg	1,033	950	0.92
Bobby Clarke	1,185	1,087	0.92
Sid Abel	850	779	0.92
Tyler Seguin	542	496	0.92
Dale Hawerchuk	1,222	1,119	0.92
Ted Kennedy	907	828	0.91
Jean Ratelle	1,371	1,251	0.91
Vladimir Tarasenko	368	335	0.91
Daniel Alfredsson	1,279	1,162	0.91
Jonathan Toews	750	681	0.91
Norm Ullman	1,584	1,434	0.91
Jacques Lemaire	894	808	0.90
Theoren Fleury	1,120	1,011	0.90
Busher Jackson	1,087	980	0.90
Pierre Turgeon	1,335	1,200	0.90
Rick Martin	708	635	0.90
Anze Kopitar	873	783	0.90
Mark Messier	1,808	1,620	0.90
Erik Karlsson	568	508	0.89
Jack Eichel	142	127	0.89
Pavol Demitra	858	767	0.89
Billy Taylor	513	458	0.89
Ron Francis	1,778	1,588	0.89
Alex Delvecchio	1,765	1,575	0.89
John Bucyk	1,709	1,519	0.89
Bryan Trottier	1,309	1,159	0.89

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

-Excellent

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Someone requested I post VsX for three years. Here's the top 150.

Player	TOTAL
Wayne Gretzky	165.6
Phil Esposito	151.1
Bobby Orr	142.7
Gordie Howe	139.6
Mario Lemieux	135.2
Jaromir Jagr	123.0
Howie Morenz	121.4
Guy Lafleur	120.6
Stan Mikita	119.2
Bobby Hull	116.7
Marcel Dionne	114.5
Jean Beliveau	114.2
Charlie Conacher	114.1
Ted Lindsay	113.3
Bill Cowley	112.1
Bill Cook	109.0
Sidney Crosby	108.3
Joe Sakic	107.6
Maurice Richard	107.5
Bryan Trottier	106.7
Ken Hodge	105.4
Andy Bathgate	105.3
Patrick Kane	105.2
Evgeni Malkin	105.0
Joe Thornton	105.0
Sweeney Schriner	104.9
Dickie Moore	104.7
Syl Apps Sr	104.5
Martin St. Louis	104.4
Max Bentley	104.4
Milt Schmidt	103.9
Gordie Drillon	103.7
Mike Bossy	102.0
Alex Ovechkin	101.9
Steve Yzerman	101.3
Joe Primeau	100.8
Frank Boucher	100.8
John Bucyk	100.2
Busher Jackson	99.9
Peter Forsberg	99.5
Elmer Lach	99.5
Markus Naslund	98.9
Bobby Clarke	98.6
Bernie Geoffrion	98.6
Ace Bailey	98.5
Brett Hull	98.5
Pavel Bure	98.2
Claude Giroux	98.2
Doug Bentley	98.2
Teemu Selanne	98.2
Norm Ullman	98.1
Bryan Hextall	98.1
Henri Richard	98.0
Jari Kurri	97.8
Peter Stastny	97.6
Sid Abel	97.5
Jamie Benn	97.3
Steven Stamkos	97.3
Paul Coffey	97.2
Mark Messier	97.1
Marty Barry	97.0
Adam Oates	96.4
Nels Stewart	95.9
Cooney Weiland	95.7
Aurel Joliat	95.4
Syd Howe	95.3
Jarome Iginla	95.3
Darryl Sittler	95.1
Lynn Patrick	94.9
Mark Recchi	94.7
Paul Thompson	94.6
Jean Ratelle	94.4
Eric Lindros	94.2
Henrik Sedin	94.2
Dale Hawerchuk	93.8
Ron Francis	93.6
Denis Savard	93.4
Nicklas Backstrom	93.4
Larry Aurie	92.8
Ilya Kovalchuk	92.7
Paul Kariya	92.2
Toe Blake	92.1
Hooley Smith	92.1
Doug Gilmour	91.8
Dany Heatley	91.6
Gilbert Perreault	91.5
Bobby Bauer	91.5
Roy Conacher	91.3
Michel Goulet	91.2
Patrik Elias	91.2
Phil Kessel	91.1
Bernie Nicholls	91.1
Rick MacLeish	91.1
Daniel Alfredsson	91.0
Frank Mahovlich	91.0
Jason Allison	90.8
Connor McDavid	90.7
Daniel Sedin	90.5
Ziggy Palffy	90.3
Taylor Hall	90.3
Sergei Fedorov	89.7
Marian Hossa	89.6
John LeClair	89.6
Ryan Getzlaf	89.6
Luc Robitaille	89.5
Alex Delvecchio	89.5
Tyler Seguin	89.4
Nikita Kucherov	89.3
Neil Colville	89.3
Bobby Rousseau	89.1
Kenny Wharram	88.7
John Tavares	88.7
Pavel Datsyuk	88.6
Rod Gilbert	88.4
Pete Mahovlich	88.4
Paul Ronty	88.3
Bill Thoms	88.2
Eric Staal	88.2
Baldy Northcott	88.2
Ted Kennedy	88.1
Ed Litzenberger	87.7
Theoren Fleury	87.7
Corey Perry	87.7
Billy Taylor	87.6
Alexei Yashin	87.6
Milan Hejduk	87.6
Alex Kovalev	87.5
Bert Olmstead	87.4
Phil Watson	87.4
Pat LaFontaine	87.2
Alexander Mogilny	87.1
Mats Sundin	87.1
Herbie Lewis	87.1
Phil Goyette	87.1
Jeremy Roenick	87.0
Clint Smith	86.9
Brad Richards	86.7
Blake Wheeler	86.7
Joe Pavelski	86.6
Cecil Dillon	86.4
Pavol Demitra	86.4
Mike Modano	86.4
Paul Haynes	86.4
Kent Nilsson	86.4
Syl Apps	86.1
Jason Spezza	86.1
Jakub Voracek	86.1
Greg Adams	86.0
Erik Karlsson	85.9
Woody Dumart	85.8

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Some players who look particularly good - Ken Hodge (!), Patrick Kane, Sweeney Schriner, Gordie Drillon Markus Naslund.