One things for certain. Referees are more valuable than players are.
I tried to stay out of this link, but that observation brought me in. Without the players, referees wouldn't have a job.
One things for certain. Referees are more valuable than players are.
Not semantics at all.
If I brought this case to the DA, and wanted "assault" charges against any of those parties I would be laughed out of the building.
There is no such thing as "lower level assaults" in New York, if there is no injury there is no assault, it's pretty cut and dry.
I tried to stay out of this link, but that observation brought me in. Without the players, referees wouldn't have a job.
Lol at the posters that keep calling these brats poor abused "children". Or if they're indeed
children, they should've NEVER hit an adult, NEVER. It's simply a cultural taboo, in a civilized
society at least.
I imagine where you play it's pretty much the same no?
Not quite sure what it is with some people. Have you travelled much dude?
If I walked past you on the street and shoved you down on your backside, but you weren't hurt, I will have assaulted you by most any definition on the planet, dictionary, legal or otherwise.
It would appear in New York though, that whatever charge was laid would be called something other than 'assault'. That is semantics.
Is it legal to hit, kick or punch someone without justification where you live as long as you don't cause injury? That's a rhetorical question because you and everyone will know the answer. They just clearly choose to call it something different where you are.
Do you know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in Paris?
It's still a quarter pounder whatever it's called. Not semantics?
I don't play. I refereed for 35 years and am now retired and as I said, without the players, no job.
I guess if it's a full time gig a referee might have a different perspective, but by the same token, I'm very thankful to have referees every week; and they all have day jobs too. Undoubtedly most don't/wouldn't do it for free, but by the same token, I don't think it pays handsomely and all the ones I know do it to give back to or gif their love of the game..and you would know it's pretty thankless.
I know there will always be hockey and hockey players, they can play pick up; but there may not always be referees, depending how they are treated, by players, administrators and anyone in the stands.
K bud. You were proved wrong, and now you want to try to save some face and call it semantics. Just cause its assault where YOU live, doesn't mean its considered assault where EVERYONE lives. Get out of your bubble, there is a whole world out there.
And where the hell did I say it's legal to do any of those as long as it doesn't result in injury. Did you bother to read any of the post clearly defining what the charge is? Wow. I can assume you are NOT a supervisor wherever the hell you work. Patrol for life huh?
Some people are just strange. More concerned with winning the minutiae or insisting there's is bigger. What is it with those types do you reckon? You win..you are the winner.
I always figure they must have some real frustrations going on elsewhere.
I come here to talk and learn more about hockey stuff. You?
FYI, I'm actually not a supervisor because I choose not to be, qualified by exams, but I don't want to be responsible for others, have a whole life outside of the workplace and a work/life balance the envy of everyone I know, including friends who earn a lot more and work a lot harder. They're always working poor guys. I still manage to pull six figures, commensurate with my skills and experience and more than some supervisors.
It never amazes me the pay and conditions some people either have to put up with or perceive of others; because you or others may view it as a lesser profession where you live. Success in life is about choices..and how many you have. I choose where I live, what I do, what schools my kids go to, when and where I want to holiday.
What do you do by the way? I'm sure yours is bigger and better.
It's nice to see a player appreciate the need for referees. Over the years, I've been called every name in the book, spit on, had beer poured on me and assaulted a couple of times. One time resulted in the player and his coach being suspended for one year.
No, its just if you were proven wrong man up? You asked for the statues in New York because you found it hard to believe what i said, I provided it, then you went off on some semantics rant about cheeseburgers.
Just can't stand that, especially from people in the SAME profession as me. I deal with enough street lawyers on a daily basis.
So you must have a better or more qualified opinion on the sections of both the referee and the player who attacked him from behind?
I'll wager the player and coach suspended for a year possibly did a lot less than that player in the video?
Lol at the posters that keep calling these brats poor abused "children". Or if they're indeed
children, they should've NEVER hit an adult, NEVER. It's simply a cultural taboo, in a civilized
society at least.
On the flip side, how much hockey or how good would it be without referees?
If it helps any of you guys, the common law definition of "assault" is an attempt or threat to commit a battery. The common law definition of a "battery" is an unconsented to touching. New York's definition of "assault" is in derogation of the common law and is therefore not the way the word is most commonly understood.
Oh, in case you haven't noticed, I'm a lawyer too. A criminal defense lawyer at that.
A few seconds? It's almost instantaneous, nice attempt at spin, though.Watch the video again,
He slaps the kid once....a few seconds goes by and he gets attacked,
Don't worry, that's how I feel about you people who are defending child abuse. There's really no way around: The guy hit a kid for no reason and got hit by a kid for it.And you are a first class moron if you think what the second kid did was "justifiable" hate to be blunt, but there really is no other way to put it.
What does that have to do with the ref attacking a child? Maybe he's emotional scarred him for life, who knows?The ref screwed up, absolutely, no reason to slap a kid in the helmet, but holy christ man, think for once, the kid...was wearing...a helmet...and absorbed, a short...cuff...to the side...of the head...
The ref was unconscious? Again, your spinning things to make it seem like he didn't hit a defenseless person.I had to spell that out there, because you seem to believe the ref cold-cocked him from behind and didn't let up....oh wait...that was the other kid, who didn't even see what happened....
BTW, try explaining self defense...when the kid who attacked him, DIDN'T SEE WHAT HAPPENED.
Haven't checked this thread until now, but yes, I do want him banned for life for viciously assaulting an official. He doesn't deserve a second chance, nor does the official.
Number 15 should be banned for life. He attacked the ref from behind.
I don't give a **** that the ref slapped one of his teammates.
As for the ref, he should be suspended for the season.
The ref may have started it by slapping the kid but the response by the other team especially #15 was over the top.
I tried to stay out of this link, but that observation brought me in. Without the players, referees wouldn't have a job.
Yea but you added in "semantics", kinda a nice slap in the face which wasn't warranted to since I was actually going by legal definitions in NY. I didnt start my post being a jerk, i clearly stated I was going by New York laws.Well you'll know then two people don't always see the same thing the same way who may have seen the same thing.
As I said before, you were right about New York, but I am not wrong. Check any dictionary, which is probably more universal by way of definition than any local statutes.
Next time I'm in New York, I'll know that if I assault anyone, I'll probably only be charged with such if I cause them an injury and clearly intended to or was reckless about it, otherwise they'll charge me with something else, ultimately merely because their law makers chose to make that element a point of differentiation in their definitions around such laws.
If it helps any of you guys, the common law definition of "assault" is an attempt or threat to commit a battery. The common law definition of a "battery" is an unconsented to touching. New York's definition of "assault" is in derogation of the common law and is therefore not the way the word is most commonly understood.
Oh, in case you haven't noticed, I'm a lawyer too. A criminal defense lawyer at that.
A few seconds? It's almost instantaneous, nice attempt at spin, though.
Don't worry, that's how I feel about you people who are defending child abuse. There's really no way around: The guy hit a kid for no reason and got hit by a kid for it.
You dudes can be idiots and support power abuse and child abuse, but I won't.
What does that have to do with the ref attacking a child? Maybe he's emotional scarred him for life, who knows?
From similar point of view, the ref was also protected by a helmet from this kid
The ref was unconscious? Again, your spinning things to make it seem like he didn't hit a defenseless person.
Easy, he heard the kid who got hit say he just hit him? Maybe you're deaf on the ice, but I'm not.
As I was saying..works just fine for me.
Got an opinion?