Red Wings official "Season Gone"

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  1. chiavsfan

    chiavsfan Registered User

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    This is off of the newswire I have at work (Radio Station):

    Hockey Season Officially A Lost Cause

    (Detroit, MI) -- Talks between the National Hockey League and the NHL's Players' Association broke up after almost ten hours of talks. In a statement released by NHL Executive Vice President Bill Daly, he said both sides had two good days of discussion, the lines of communication were open, and they would continue to work on it. But Daly also added there were some major philosophical differences and said the two sides have not scheduled further talks. Red Wings Senior Vice President Jimmy Devellano said time had run out and the season is done.


    That sums it up folks
     
  2. Motown Beatdown

    Motown Beatdown Need a slump buster

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    Devellano just did a the players a huge favor. :dunce:
     
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    i wonder what time today the red wings will give back there season ticket money?
     
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    The season is over. Logistically, there isn't enough time to sign over 400 players, sign left over free agents, get players back from Europe some of which I'm sure have gone beyond their NHL out clauses, buy equipment, scheduling, arena conflicts, hiring employees that were let go and are no longer available and on and on and on. It's over people. :shakehead :cry: :shakehead
     
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    how can somethign be over if it never started?
     
  8. How do you figure? The players best chance at getting a favorable settlement are right now. That is gone. The next offer, in the fal, will likely be even worse than this one with a substantially smaller chunk of money to get a cut of. If the NHL loses a quarter of its revenues and shrinks to a $1.5 billion industry, the player just lost $324 million thqt will not be recovered in addition to the $1.3 they left sitting there from this past season. So the players will have lost $1.7 billion dollars by their onw inability to recognize the market. And Devellano just did the players a huge favor?
     
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    Yes the players can now fly over to the land of milk and honey and 1/10th the money with non-gauranteed contracts in Europe. Call Chevy Chase, the Gizzwads are heading for a European Vacation.
     
  10. chiavsfan

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    Did the NHLPA also win on the game show "Pig in a Poke?"

    Sorry bad "European Vacation" analogy there
     
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    Arena conflicts? Most buildings haven't filled NHL dates. Hiring employees will be simple. Equipment? That could be an issue. Players back from Europe? Very few of them had deadlines in their out clauses, Kovalchuk did so he could get such a big pay day but most of them have a clause simply stating when and if the NHL resumes play their contract can be terminated by the player.
     
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    And just how long do you think it would take to get 400 players signed to contracts? Remember were dealing with lawyers here. I didn't realize that you knew the terms of every players contract in Europe so thanks for clearing that up for me. It kind of contradicts some of the information I have read on Euro fan forums and team sites.
     
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    ""We want the right deal," Devellano said. "The hockey's not important"

    Maybe to these 2 sides, but I wonder whats important to the fans?

    Comments like this makes me wonder how anyone can choose "sides"

    Both sides need a good crack in the head
     
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    Amen to that. :handclap: :handclap:
     
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    400 players need to be signed? Link me.

    You're dealing with agents... some are lawyers, some aren't.

    Don't start attacking me as you normally do... the large majority of players over there do not have dates stipulated in their contracts. Maybe 1 in 5 NHLers do.
     
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    If the owners declare an impasse the players can easily say while they were negotitating a deal a team was declaring the season dead. Wouldn't a court find it hard to believe the league is using good faith tactics when a team saying the season is dead?

    The best time to make a deal for both sides is now because this thing will end up in court if it doesn't. The league doesn't have a leg to stand when this ends up in court.
     
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    The quote was a bad one from a legal standpoint but could simply be argued... "he never said it was declared dead by the league but simply said in his opinion it was too late" All depends on the judge or arbitrator you get.
     
  18. Wow, that's weak. If you're hoping to hang a court challenge on a quote in the paper you're hanging yourself. You don't even know if the quote was editted, was taken out of context or was possibly part of a much longer and much more complex discussion. How does the league "not have a leg to stand on in court"? This I gotta hear. And u trot out the old, "the league isn't negotiating in good faith" I will remind you that the players are not either. They have taken the polar view and dug their heels in about not accepting a cap, without even explaining in good fashion why a cap is not acceptable.
     
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    gosh... im just not so sure on that one. Hockey now is great but healthy hockey in 20 years that my kids can watch with me sounds just as good.
     
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    Publicly the NHLPA has only said we cannot trust the NHL's numbers. Privately, they might have asked the NHL to negotiate that aspect and the NHL refused.

    The NHLPA has initied all of the talks during these CBA negotiations so they do have that in their corner.
     
  21. Well, according to Wetcoaster, the NHL has done forensic studies on the numbers of four NHL teams, so hey can't use that "trust the numbers" stuff any more IMO. The NHL has also invited the NHLPA to the negotiating table for years and was rebuffed, prefering for the 11th hour drama again. Both parties are to blame equally in the whole damn mess. Both would get killed in a court battle with the players taking the largest hit in the long run. The players need the league more than the owners do and right now the players earning potential is going down the drain with the mudslinging. A court challenge does nothing to help that. It in fact makes it worse.
     
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    Initiated what?

    PA- You guys going to give in on your cap?
    NHL - No
    PA - Ok meeting over, see ya in 3 months

    That's not initiating negotiation, that's just a PR stunt to get people to look at them in a good light. So far, it ain't working
     
  23. Sammy*

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    Of course it's weak. He's a part time NHLPA shill when he's not clerking at the Supreme Court providing Justice's with legal briefs.
     
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    I see a heavy fine in the future for that poor sucker who said that prematuraly.
     
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