Recent Former Flyers - how far we have come

[Gert B Frobe]

I was thinking about the horrible full-time NHL players the Flyers dressed just a couple of years ago. A lot of these guys aren't even old, so it's not like they all turned 38 or something...

18 - 19
Dale Weise - don’t know where he is now
Jori Lehtera - don’t know where he is now
Andrew MacDonald - released from Calgary PTO
Christian Folin - don’t know where he is now
17 - 18
Matt Read - AHL Toronto Marlies
Brandon Manning - AHL Bakersfield Condors ?
16 - 17
Boyd Gordon - don’t know where he is now, probably retired
Chris VandeVelde - Austrian Hockey League?
Nick Cousins - in the AHL somewhere? couldn't find him

And how about some of these horrifying call-ups???
Jordan Weal - wasn't so awful but he's only 27 and in his prime years can't get on a NHL roster
Justin Bailey - only 24 years old and can't make a NHL team
Tyrell Golbourne - only 25 years old - doubt he'll ever see NHL ice again
Michael Vecchione - only 26 years old and can't make a NHL team
Phil Varone - only 28 years old - doubt he'll ever see NHL ice again
Corban Knight - in the KHL, probably not a great example of steaming crap that played for the Flyers

Of course there are some decent players who are still in the NHL like PE Bellemare, Ryan Hartman and guys that just got old like Mark Streit, and maybe Boyd Gordon..

Remember all the ice time Hackstol gave to some of these turds? Remember the offensive zone starts VandeVelde got late in games? Games when they were down a goal while Giroux sat on the bench???

My GOD things sure have improved.

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[pit]

Weise is on Montreal AHL team.
Folin and Cousins are healthy scratches for Montreal.

Lehtera is still skating off the practice ice from the end of last season. He'll make it there by November.

 

[Magua]

Matt Read - AHL Toronto Marlies

A strong middle 6 player who turned into an average 4th liner here before his NHL time was over? Why is he on this list?

Nick Cousins - in the AHL somewhere? couldn't find him

That’s because he played 152/164 possible games for the Coyotes as a solid depth piece — averaging 1.4 WAR per season — and is now on the Canadiens. The Internet is a useful tool.

And how about some of these horrifying call-ups???
Jordan Weal - wasn't so awful but he's only 27 and in his prime years can't get on a NHL roster

He’s literally on an NHL roster and doing fine and did fine here besides being mostly a scapegoat. Another 1 WAR candidate, which isn’t chopped liver.

 

[Qyburn]

Despite some inaccuracies, most of that is pretty funny. Especially AMac, didn't know that about him.

I get the sense that it hasn't 100% settled in for most how incredibly BAD Hakstol was. I know management deserves their share, but if the guy had the tiniest bit of intelligence or spine he maybe would have tried to push back a little. Instead, he took horrific roster situations and managed to make them unthinkably worse, again and again and again.

He's really his own category of person.

 

[Gert B Frobe]

A strong middle 6 player who turned into an average 4th liner here before his NHL time was over? Why is he on this list?



That’s because he played 152/164 possible games for the Coyotes as a solid depth piece — averaging 1.4 WAR per season — and is now on the Canadiens. The Internet is a useful tool.



He’s literally on an NHL roster and doing fine and did fine here besides being mostly a scapegoat. Another 1 WAR candidate, which isn’t chopped liver.

Matt Read is on this list because he was a nice middle 6 player who got overpaid and very quickly turned into a bad, non-scoring, soft 4th liner and is now out of the league.

Nick Cousins is a healthy scratch in Montreal because he sucks.

Jordan Weal would fit right in to our bottom six as a small, soft guy who can't score in the NHL because WAR. Hell he could play with Read and Cousins. That would be a great 4th line.

I didn't use the internet for this post either. What the f is a 1 WAR candidate? Don't tell me because I won't read it and I'm not looking it up either.

 

[deadhead]

Actually, if you look at the bottom six/bottom four on Hakstol's teams, the conclusion is it's amazing he got those teams into the playoffs twice, because he was given a lot of dreck, from subpar goalies to teams with zero depth.

These guys played because the players behind them were worse (Akeson, Varone, Gordon, White, Leier, Brennan, etc.).

Holmgren stripped this team of talent, they had a half dozen solid starters and a lot of replacement/below replacement talent behind them.

 

[DancingPanther]

Jordan Weal would fit right in to our bottom six as a small, soft guy who can't score in the NHL because WAR. Hell he could play with Read and Cousins. That would be a great 4th line.

I didn't use the internet for this post either. What the f is a 1 WAR candidate? Don't tell me because I won't read it and I'm not looking it up either.

Ah. One of those people huh

 

[kudymen]

I stumbled into Jori's name when I accidentally turned on a SKA St. Petersburg game. Not sure how he's faring there but he was a first line center in that game

 

[flyersnorth]

I stumbled into Jori's name when I accidentally turned on a SKA St. Petersburg game. Not sure how he's faring there but he was a first line center in that game

Third in scoring for his team. 8g, 4a in 17 games.

He also hosts the after parties.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

I was thinking about the horrible full-time NHL players the Flyers dressed just a couple of years ago. A lot of these guys aren't even old, so it's not like they all turned 38 or something...

18 - 19
Dale Weise - don’t know where he is now
Jori Lehtera - don’t know where he is now
Andrew MacDonald - released from Calgary PTO
Christian Folin - don’t know where he is now
17 - 18
Matt Read - AHL Toronto Marlies
Brandon Manning - AHL Bakersfield Condors ?
16 - 17
Boyd Gordon - don’t know where he is now, probably retired
Chris VandeVelde - Austrian Hockey League?
Nick Cousins - in the AHL somewhere? couldn't find him

And how about some of these horrifying call-ups???
Jordan Weal - wasn't so awful but he's only 27 and in his prime years can't get on a NHL roster
Justin Bailey - only 24 years old and can't make a NHL team
Tyrell Golbourne - only 25 years old - doubt he'll ever see NHL ice again
Michael Vecchione - only 26 years old and can't make a NHL team
Phil Varone - only 28 years old - doubt he'll ever see NHL ice again
Corban Knight - in the KHL, probably not a great example of steaming crap that played for the Flyers

Of course there are some decent players who are still in the NHL like PE Bellemare, Ryan Hartman and guys that just got old like Mark Streit, and maybe Boyd Gordon..

Remember all the ice time Hackstol gave to some of these turds? Remember the offensive zone starts VandeVelde got late in games? Games when they were down a goal while Giroux sat on the bench???

My GOD things sure have improved.

I was literally thinking about this yesterday, but how with mdz disappearing from the face of the earth schenn might be the only former flyer left in the league. I don't even consider Hartman a flyer, but good catch on belly. Completely forgot about him.

Just speaks volumes how passive Hextall really was and how pitiful his assessment of support players was. Even in that year kimmo got sidelined with injuries Mdz and Colaiacovo got signed in August and October respectively while Nick Schultz was among the first to get a contract when UFA window opened.

 

[MasksAreForSlaves]

Ah. One of those people huh

One of 'those' people! Like as in, the dude enjoys hockey but is not obsessed with over the top analytical stats. I had to think about what WAR meant as well. I think it means some non-sensical ridiculous way some nerd came up with that supposedly means 'Wins above replacement'.

 

[Rebels57]

Believe it or not, Manning is on Oilers roster at the moment as a healthy scratch

Out of this list, only Weal is a regular NHLer..on the Canadiens 4th line.

Pretty funny that Weal, Weise, Folin, and Cousins all ended up in Montreal organization. They dont call him Bargain Bin Bergevin for no reason.

 

[WIP CALLER]

One of 'those' people! Like as in, the dude enjoys hockey but is not obsessed with over the top analytical stats. I had to think about what WAR meant as well. I think it means some non-sensical ridiculous way some nerd came up with that supposedly means 'Wins above replacement'.

WAR, what is it good for? Absolutely nothin!

 

[Jtown]

Believe it or not, Manning is on Oilers roster at the moment as a healthy scratch

Out of this list, only Weal is a regular NHLer..on the Canadiens 4th line.

Pretty funny that Weal, Weise, Folin, and Cousins all ended up in Montreal organization. They dont call him Bargain Bin Bergevin for no reason.

I get the manning hate, and trust me there is no one that hates watching him play more than me. But what Edmonton is doing to him is f***ed up and The fact that the PA is doing nothing about it is even more f***ed up.

 

[David St Hubbins]

WAR, what is it good for? Absolutely nothin!

Good God, y'all

 

[Chinatown88]

GIVE ME RUSH HOUR 4!

 

[Maurice of Orange]

I was thinking about the horrible full-time NHL players the Flyers dressed just a couple of years ago. A lot of these guys aren't even old, so it's not like they all turned 38 or something...

Remember all the ice time Hackstol gave to some of these turds? Remember the offensive zone starts VandeVelde got late in games? Games when they were down a goal while Giroux sat on the bench???

My GOD things sure have improved.

Where they are now...
Dale Weise - Laval AHL
Jori Lehtera - SKA St. Petersburg KHL
Andrew MacDonald - released from Calgary PTO
Christian Folin - Montreal NHL
Matt Read - Toronto Marlies AHL
Brandon Manning - Edmonton NHL
Boyd Gordon - Retired
Chris VandeVelde - UFA last played for Salzburg in Austria
Nick Cousins - Montreal NHL
Jordan Weal - Montreal NHL
Justin Bailey - Utica AHL
Tyrell Golbourne - Chicago AHL
Michael Vecchione - San Antonio AHL
Phil Varone - Laval AHL
Corban Knight - Barys KHL
PE Bellemare - Colorado NHL
Ryan Hartman - Minnesota NHL
Mark Streit - Retired
Jason Akeson - Kölner Haie DEL Germany
Ryan White - UFA last played for Manitoba AHL
Taylor Leier - Rochester AHL

 

[Don Nachbaur 26]

I was thinking about the horrible full-time NHL players the Flyers dressed just a couple of years ago. A lot of these guys aren't even old, so it's not like they all turned 38 or something...

18 - 19
Dale Weise - don’t know where he is now
Jori Lehtera - don’t know where he is now
Andrew MacDonald - released from Calgary PTO
Christian Folin - don’t know where he is now
17 - 18
Matt Read - AHL Toronto Marlies
Brandon Manning - AHL Bakersfield Condors ?
16 - 17
Boyd Gordon - don’t know where he is now, probably retired
Chris VandeVelde - Austrian Hockey League?
Nick Cousins - in the AHL somewhere? couldn't find him

And how about some of these horrifying call-ups???
Jordan Weal - wasn't so awful but he's only 27 and in his prime years can't get on a NHL roster
Justin Bailey - only 24 years old and can't make a NHL team
Tyrell Golbourne - only 25 years old - doubt he'll ever see NHL ice again
Michael Vecchione - only 26 years old and can't make a NHL team
Phil Varone - only 28 years old - doubt he'll ever see NHL ice again
Corban Knight - in the KHL, probably not a great example of steaming crap that played for the Flyers

Of course there are some decent players who are still in the NHL like PE Bellemare, Ryan Hartman and guys that just got old like Mark Streit, and maybe Boyd Gordon..

Remember all the ice time Hackstol gave to some of these turds? Remember the offensive zone starts VandeVelde got late in games? Games when they were down a goal while Giroux sat on the bench???

My GOD things sure have improved.

Jeez, Did you even try to find out where these guys are? But yes, the team has come a long way.

 

[deadhead]

It's called a rebuild.
Hextall refused to spend assets to build depth for a mediocre team.
In return, he built one of the top farm systems in the NHL, which is now bearing fruit.

 

[Curufinwe]

If you have time to make a thread, you should have time to put these guys names in the Elite Prospects search bar.

 

[Rebels57]

Where they are now...
Dale Weise - Laval AHL
Jori Lehtera - SKA St. Petersburg KHL
Andrew MacDonald - released from Calgary PTO
Christian Folin - Montreal NHL
Matt Read - Toronto Marlies AHL
Brandon Manning - Edmonton NHL
Boyd Gordon - Retired
Chris VandeVelde - UFA last played for Salzburg in Austria
Nick Cousins - Montreal NHL
Jordan Weal - Montreal NHL
Justin Bailey - Utica AHL
Tyrell Golbourne - Chicago AHL
Michael Vecchione - San Antonio AHL
Phil Varone - Laval AHL
Corban Knight - Barys KHL
PE Bellemare - Colorado NHL
Ryan Hartman - Minnesota NHL
Mark Streit - Retired
Jason Akeson - Kölner Haie DEL Germany
Ryan White - UFA last played for Manitoba AHL
Taylor Leier - Rochester AHL

So only 6 of these guys are on an NHL roster and only 3 are in their teams lineup regularly.

Unreal.

Remember when Corban Knight was going to fix our PK and be a big factor on the 4th line last season?

 

[BillDineen]

Funny thing is if Stewart is signed, he is the worst player on the list.

 

[chupanibre]

I get the manning hate, and trust me there is no one that hates watching him play more than me. But what Edmonton is doing to him is ****ed up and The fact that the PA is doing nothing about it is even more ****ed up.

Out of the loop here - what are the Oilers doing to our brandon??

 

[Gert B Frobe]

If you have time to make a thread, you should have time to put these guys names in the Elite Prospects search bar.

I used google, and it took me almost 10 minutes which is 5 more than I had wanted.