Rebuild Thread - thoughts, emotions, ideas

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  1. Dave Sparky Allison

    Dave Sparky Allison 2-22-1

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    We also need a leader with the heart of Charlie Conway and a goalie like Goldberg. A little toughness with a Fulton Reed wouldn’t hurt either.
     
  2. Spirit of 67

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    I think the first thing to do is make amends with Alfie and make him team president.

    Then let him be the face of the franchise. At least, in terms of non players.
     
  3. Nac Mac Feegle

    Nac Mac Feegle wee & free

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    We have to be careful here. Historically, about a third of the good prospects end up as washouts/plugs. If the plan requires all (or almost all) of the kids to turn into solid players (and a few new members of the core), the plan will likely fail. Having a good stable of prospect is definitely a big part of the plan.....but it is not the end-all and be-all of a successful rebuild.



    The key is to have some decent all-around players on the team already. Not talking a Stone or Karlsson (although that is amazing for a rebuild), but MacArthur type guys. Guys who play in the middle 6 who are simply great pros, who can teach the kids the right way to play, and solidify the roster. We can have all the amazing kids we want (a la Edmonton), but teams like that don't go anywhere without good veterans as both mentors and solid contributors.
     
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    my apologies to Bert I was quoting Tuna there
     
  5. Dave Sparky Allison

    Dave Sparky Allison 2-22-1

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    No respeck.
     
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    We need someone who knows what he is doing, not a figurehead
     
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    I put this is the trade thread but following the rebuild theme which to me means EK is traded.. We trade Hoffman as well .. If we could trade Hoffman to Colorado for Makar and our 2019 1st or a 2019 first ..
    Check these moves out


    Win the lottery .. (not likely but man if we do) Draft Dahlin and trade for Makar .. our D would be set for the next 10 -15 years.. Get a young stud forward ++ in the deal for Karlsson... They would sell tickets
     
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    Nac Mac Feegle wee & free

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    And I think we need to move on from Alfie....at least for awhile. He was a hockey player, not a savior. Like you said, we need to focus on hiring the best, most qualified folks we can. Worry about figureheads after we have a solid management team in place.
     
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    If we trade EK + Ryan that means the team to which we trade them has to NOT be on both EK modified NTC and Bobby modified NTC and NMC

    EK has a 10 teams NTC
    Do we know Bobby's?

    That leaves what? Like 3-4 teams available?
     
  10. Sens of Anarchy

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    EK has 10 teams that he can't automatically be traded to. EK holds the cards. He could say to the target team that he will go to free agency to test the market thereby reducing his value in a trade with that team.. He could tell Ottawa .. I'd be willing to resign with these 3 or 4 teams so that would reduce the options. Can any of those teams take Ryan?

    Ryan also submits a 10 team no trade list... So depending what Karlsson does the number of teams the list could be really small.

    If its straight up and EK has no issues with any of the 20 teams available the chances are good that there would be a good number of teams available to both players... If the team gets a deal with a team on one of their lists ... they would ask the player to waive for that team.
     
  11. Nac Mac Feegle

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    Nice moves....but his body positioning is weird. Can't put my finger quite on it.
     
  12. Alex1234

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    Ok thanks

    If we trade EK with or without Ryan imho we need a top 6-7 2018 draft pick or better plus other 1st or 2nd plus pieces

    So EDM , VAN, MTL, NYR

    Picking 2 times in the 1st 6-7 positions would be huge going forward
     
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  13. ReginKarlssonLehner

    ReginKarlssonLehner Let's Win It All

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    I’d rather get close to NHL ready guys from Vegas than another top 10 pick. Guys like Brannstrom, Glass/Suzuki etc
     
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    Que 2018-2019 Worst to First

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    What if we picked three times? As the speculation stated Montreal could be a 3rd team.

    EK to NYR
    Bobby Ryan and Lias Andersson to MTL
    MTL 1st, NYR 1st, Galchenyuk to Ottawa
     
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    A dream
    1st line for the next 10 years
    Sevchnikov-Whalstrom-Tkatchuk lol
     
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    What a horrible idea
     
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    Glad we have that now.
     
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    Absolutely right. I cringe every time someone says it's a good idea to trade proven talent away and get nothing but magic beans in return. Most propects don't become difference makers. Many draft picks don't even become legitimate prospects. I do not have the patience for a burn-it-down rebuild. Chances are, you won't be able to draft anyone as good as Stone or Duchene, let alone another Karlsson. Fix the weaknesses, don't flush the great assets down the toilet.
     
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    one issue is the patience to go thru a tear down....the other is whether it is necessary and imo it isn'

    Chabot will continue to improve. EK. Chabot. Ceci. Chabot will make others slot down and that will really help.

    I didn't like moving Brassard because he's a C but we have so many young Cs coming. Brown. White. Chaplik. Formenton. Batherson. We need 2 of those guys to hit and become top 6 players. We have plenty of pieces up front.

    We need goaltending. Maybe Andy has his bounce back year maybe not but you don' tear something apart because of a weakness in one position.

    And that doesn't include what we get from this year's draft
     
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  20. Fenix Rises 2026

    Fenix Rises 2026 Alfie forever!

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    THE PLAN:

    We use the draft and an EK trade to get us set up as a well structured team. This consists of a set of great players on ELCs and six solid non-elite core players.

    Put an internal salary limit of 7 mil for core players and 5 mil for everybody else. Nobody gets more than that. Anybody who deserves more than that gets traded to stock the stables before they can cash in. Even if we're contending at the time.

    Anybody that we can't re-sign gets dealt when their value is high. No nmcs, no ntcs and we sign no deals that are untradeable. We establish an internal signing deadline of Oct 1. Any player that wants to drag out contract talks beyond then, we deal them to a desperate team that is struggling before christmas.

    Core(35m):
    Goalie (7m)
    1c & 2c (12m combined).
    Top 6 winger(5m) or 3c (4m)
    2 top 4d (11m combined)

    Everybody else is ELCs, mid priced UFAs, and above average role players.

    Incentive structure:
    We sign a lot of two-ways and we keep one roster spot open for a revolving belleville call-up. We use that spot to incentivize the farm and reward players that are performing well in any given month.

    Role players are competing against the prospects, ufa replacements and the call-ups. Core players are fighting to stay in the core. Everybody else is fighting to unseat a core player. No bias towards our own draft picks. We seek out the best fit roster options regardless of source.

    Numbers might be off but that's the vision. We start now and we can be there in about three years.
     
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    I do find it funny we were saying this core isn't good enough and we have to tear it down. Then talks of trading everyone came up and then we were worried about us tearing apart the team.

    We laugh at management being fickle with plans when the whole fanbase is the same.

    One big losing streak and it's all doom and gloom.

    One big winning streak and all of a sudden we have all the pieces and are good. Fans are just like management.

    We need to take it easy and evaluate the team for what it is. Stick to a plan. And then not alter that plan when a streak hits-good or bad.
     
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    Agreed. Seeing defensive lineups featuring only Chabot with NHL experience surprises me around here.

    I remember well looking at our future behind Karlsson and the consensus around here being that Cowen, Rundblad, Wiercioch and eventually Ceci were all sure fire top 4 guys. Of those four only Ceci worked out and he’s the whipping boy.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to add Dahlin to our future stable along with Chabot, and question marks like Jaros, Wolanin, and Summers, but I would rather hang on to our top 4 defensemen until they prove they are able.

    If Karlsson goes you have to keep Ceci, at the very least he’ll eat the minutes and shelter the prospects from abuse as he gets owned by other teams top forwards.
     
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    If you rebuild from the net out the Gustavsson trade is a good start.

    The D needs a lot of help in the top 4 if we trade Karlsson. the only solid top 4 prospect is Chabot.
     
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    he did join management for a while but left so I don't know if he's interested at the moment.
     

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