Realistically, would a player like Brad Marchand get in the HHOF?

Passchendaele

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Everybody hates him.

However, he stepped his game up considerably over the past five years. He is currently on pace to score 100 points for the second straight season (so 100+ pace for three straight years), and a very good playoff performer as well.

I definitely see the similarities with Theo Fleury. Around the same size, both won the Stanley Cup, and both were crazy ****ers on the ice. Marchand just took a bit longer to get going.
 

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I think Alfredsson may be a decent comparable

Both were pretty good players who eventually put up elite numbers later in their careers while playing on the best line in hockey
 
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As a high level impact player he's certainly got a better case than say Bondra, Verbeek. This is the third season where he's up at the top in scoring, just like Markus Näslund (and to a lesser degree say Demitra and Palffy) had three years up the top in scoring, but Marchand probably brings a better all-round game than any of these guys.

On the other hand we've never really seen him carry a line on his own offensively, like true dynamic offensive guys like P. Bure and Kariya did on low end-ish team, he's always either been baby sit on his line by Bergeron or had another great offensive talent like Pastrnak there, or both at the same time. It's an ideal situation from an outside perspective.

What would he have done on a line in Florida with Viktor Kozlov and Peter Worrell?

I don't care about the HHOF though but if he keeps this going for even only two more seasons (this one included) and wins another Cup he certainly wouldn't look out of place with players like Ciccarelli and Andreychuk. A guy like Patrik Elias though was most always the clear best player on his line, with Marchand that's not really the case (although I know you probably shouldn't punish players too much for having good linemates).
 

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for what it's worth, somebody on the main board pointed out that marchand was actually one of the top even strength goal scorers for years before his big breakout. 13th in even strength goals 2011-16, and actually #1 in short handed goals with 19. so power play time and different usage (~55-65% oZS in the last few years) accounts for a lot of the increased output, as well as a different training regimen. which is just to say that he was never counted on to carry a line, but he may have been able to. (i remember being impressed with him as far back as the 2011 cup run—not that i ever thought he would turn into what he's turned into, of course.)
 
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I mean if this keeps up.... Of course he gets in, right?

He's had a strange career. I don't think anyone would have given him a chance in hell in 2016. But he's been absolutely elite and one of the best players in the League since 2016-2017. I think Markus Naslund may be the best comparable right now. He really fell off after a dominant three year stretch. Marchand is continuing to roll along this season.

Assuming he has a five year stretch of being one of the very best in the game and nothing else worthy of consideration for the Hall (with seasons like 2016 being good but nothing special for players receiving HOF consideration), who would be the best comparable? John LecLair? He's not in yet. He would have at least as good a case as Theo Fleury then, no?

The fact that he's such a POS won't help him, but Ciccarelli didn't have a reputation for having great character and he got in.
 
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He's had a strange career. I don't think anyone would have given him a chance in hell in 2016. But he's been absolutely elite and one of the best players in the League since 2016-2017. I think Markus Naslund may be the best comparable right now. He really fell off after a dominant three year stretch. Marchand is continuing to roll along this season.

Assuming he has a five year stretch of being one of the very best in the game and nothing else worthy of consideration for the Hall (with seasons like 2016 being good but nothing special for players receiving HOF consideration), who would be the best comparable? John LecLair? He's not in yet. He would have at least as good a case as Theo Fleury then, no?

The fact that he's such a POS won't help him, but Ciccarelli didn't have a reputation for having great character and he got in.

let's say his last significant season is this one. that gives him three very high points placements and four very high PPG placements. This puts him in Naslund peak territory, offensively speaking.

Naslund has a more normal career cure though - aside from his four high-end seasons, his best PPG averages are 0.98, 0.83, 0.79, 0.73. Marchand's are 0.80, 0.79, 0.72, 0.65. So for him, it's more steep than Naslund, a guy who already isn't seen to have a lot of "meat on the bone" aside from his four best years.

But on the other hand, while Naslund was having these four excellent seasons (1.13 PPG cumulatively), he was scoring just 0.93 in the playoffs with a -6, earning a reputation as a choker (not all his fault). He wasn't known for anything at all, other than scoring points. Marchand, on the other hand, already has 47 more points in 56 more playoff games than Naslund ever had, and is still just 31. He's had four playoff runs (individually and team-wise) better than Naslund and his canucks ever put together. He's a quality defensive player and penalty killer, quite physical, and the most notorious agitator in the world. Remarkably, in his career he has 41 shorthanded points, despite being on the ice for only 107 PPGA. (for comparison's sake, Bergeron has 38 SHP on 243 PPGA). He's such a well-rounded player with a well-rounded resume that already checks a lot of boxes.

If he ends up having two more significant seasons after this one before falling off, the quick decline from his best seasons to the rest won't even be an issue because he'll have six excellent seasons, not to mention that in his first six seasons as a 2nd line-caliber player, he was still doing all the other stuff that makes him great (or at least makes him famous).

I think he's got a better chance than many other guys who have spent more time as a "star" caliber player - I think of guys like Eric Staal, The Sedins, Kovalchuk, Backstrom, Stamkos, Giroux, Tavares, Richards, Lecavalier... the way he's trending he may have a more attractive case than any of these guys, and some of those guys are going to make it.
 

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for what it's worth, somebody on the main board pointed out that marchand was actually one of the top even strength goal scorers for years before his big breakout. 13th in even strength goals 2011-16, and actually #1 in short handed goals with 19. so power play time and different usage (~55-65% oZS in the last few years) accounts for a lot of the increased output, as well as a different training regimen. which is just to say that he was never counted on to carry a line, but he may have been able to. (i remember being impressed with him as far back as the 2011 cup run—not that i ever thought he would turn into what he's turned into, of course.)
Yes, Marchand has always been very good at even-strength. For example, I think he's had a better ppg at even strength than Ovechkin almost every year for many years.

Even back in '13-'14, I thought Marchand should've been on Team Canada in Sochi.

He got more points with more PP time, and he's improved his game at the same time, as you've mentioned.

A very impressive player.
 
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Marchand will get in for sure...unless he really falls off a cliff, and there are reasons to believe that's not going to happen...at least for a while.
 

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Honestly Marchand is just outside of the super elite Crosby-McDavid tier, and has been there for some time. His chances look good, even if he is a Dbag.
 

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Yeah I have always wondered myself what took him so long to break out like that. He was always with Bergeron generally. But looking at his power play time you can see the difference. 4 years ago or so he busted out on the power play when he wasn't getting a lot of time prior to that. I wonder why he didn't get the time prior to that. I think since the 2016 World Cup he has been one of the best players in the NHL and this is coming from a Leafs fan. He's good defensively, he is involved and active on the ice, physical, a pest, etc. Shows up in big games too. Was +36 in 2014. Wow, didn't realize that. Really the only thing that kept him from getting a lot more points even back then was very little power play time. He should have gotten it back then too.

He is only 31, does not look like he is slowing down and could have well over 100 points this year. Pastrnak is good, but I don't think he carries the line like Marchand does. I think it is Marchand first on that line. I don't even want to call the guy a late bloomer because he was good before his breakout, he just was never on the power play. I think he gets in the HHOF eventually.
 

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He should get in. People saying he shouldnt get in yet prop up Alfredsson ? Lol

He's having a great season, but he's about to turn 32yo and only has a handful of seasons as a first liner. He would need a strong finish to mke the HHOF.

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The Macho King

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I mean - didn't Claude Lemieux make it in? Being hated never stopped someone from getting in the Hall.
 

MadLuke

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He will have I imagine powerful and influential ex teammate and coach, Bergeron/Crosby, a career 06 team player do not hurt either.

Are you that hated by the powerful hockey people if you make Team Canada during best on best tournament multiple time.
 

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If he ends up having a strong case for the HOF - he should and will make it. His reputation won't matter.

If he ends up having a fringe case for the HOF - he likely won't make it, due to his shit reputation. And I'd be fine with that.

He's having a great few seasons, but his overall career still might be lacking for a HHOF. So not sure if he'll get to the point of a strong case.
 

The Macho King

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I don't buy that he has a shit reputation. If anything, he's renowned for his ability to be a complete rat but also play at an elite level. I just don't see how that's a detriment. If anything I think it increases the chances he gets in.

I would want his plaque to be him licking Callahan.
 

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Boston currently sits atop of the NHL. They're in good position to go on a deep run again. Can anyone but Washington stop them in the East? Unlikely.

The situation is favorable to Brad Marchand since he can immediately add to his playoff legacy.
 
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I think he still needs 2 or 3 more high point total seasons to get into the Hall.

I think that even a gradual decline after this one isn't going to keep him out, especially if he was another couple of decent playoff runs.
 

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