Realignment Idea Proposal!

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  1. SebJHockey

    SebJHockey Registered User

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    A writer for our site, Dana has some realignment ideas. Check them out. I know this discussion gets opened up every two years but I kind of like this one. I know some will find some flaws. Happy to engage is some friendly discussion!

    The OHL Realignment
     
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    SSM has a raw deal. Their best situation is what they have now. A relatively quick trip down the road in Michigan. Once they hit Flint and Saginaw, the rest of their division is relatively close. Why force them to travel further with a Northern Division? And to be more real, SSM may be in a crappy situation in the OHL but compared to the WHL, they are golden.

    The reality is until a team (NB) goes to Cornwall, there cannot be a true Eastern Division. If they can make that happen, it helps fix things.

    Central can then be Erie instead of North Bay.

    There are geographic rivals that also create an unbalanced schedule. Ottawa is playing Gatineau out of league FFS. Clearly the OHL is not concerned about an unbalanced schedule so why fans should waste effort on it is beyond me. It is something the league doesn’t think is broken so there is no need for us to fix it for them.

    This debate is like pissing into the wind. Why bother?
     
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    OS & SSM in the same division is an awful idea.

    There is really no good solution for all teams in re-alignment. The idea I like best is three divisions keeping the imbalanced schedule for rivalries and save on some travel. Four playoff teams per division with top three seeds for division winners and four wild cards determined by overall standing. First two rounds can be played in division making rivalries bigger.

    West:
    London
    Sarnia
    Windsor
    Flint
    Saginaw
    Soo

    Central:
    Barrie
    OS
    Guelph
    Kitchener
    Hamilton
    Niagara
    Erie

    East:
    Miss
    Oshawa
    Sby
    NB
    Peterborough
    Kingston
    Ottawa
     
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    Adding extra distance for a Sault Ste. Marie team that already leads the league is not an acceptable solution. Owen Sound is 8 hours away, which is unfair for them as well as the Greyhounds. The league isn't going to **** on a couple of teams to make things slightly easier for the rest (if at all).

    Currently the West Division is all within 5 hours and from what I have seen, all teams are quite happy with that alignment.

    Any realignment solutions must leave the West Division intact, period. There is no other acceptable solution for these teams.
     
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    Add a team in Traverse City to balance the divisions at 7 teams each, and to give SSM a "local" rival. Not too far a drive for Saginaw and Flint, as well.
     
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    what u got against north bay. why move them?
     
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    North Bay is not a stellar franchise. It isn’t on stable footing financially. It was a mistake to go back there. If not for how awful Brampton was as a host city, North Bay wouldn’t have been on the radar.
     
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    The batallion is long paid for, the location is pretty good, lease agreement seems favourable, and building is adequate as less than half the league can sustain 4000 patrons at all times. NB is at the very least as viable as Cornwall.
     
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    They'd have to build a new arena as the Centre Ice facility that the Red Wings use for training camp only seats 1,800 and has already been expanded twice. Nice thought cause i LOVE TC in the summer!!
     
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    That would make a nice 7 team division with the Soo, TC, Saginaw, Flint, Sarnia, Windsor and London!! You'd have a 21 team league with 3 divisions! I'm not even going to figure out how the other 2 divisions would work out! LOL
     
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    Unfortunately this is a mute point for teams in the league.

    There is absolutely no way to truly have any form of realignment in this league in the current state the teams all sit.

    I've looked at every possible situation over and, over agin and unless there is a big conference expansion on the horizon that would increase the teams in the league then maybe a realignment could be potentially possible.

    No matter which way you slice the pie there has to be equal pieces, and right now this is the best worst option the league has, any real tweaking in the league would probably lead to relocating a team back to a former city before any real major changes happen
     
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    Agreed, I don't see realignment happening unless there's relocation or expansion.
     
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    This is where I live. Only a 1,000 seat arena. They had a junior team here (the Enforcers) who played in the NAHL that averaged around 500 several years back. Known as Hockey Town North for being the Detroit Red Wings training camp site where they get 1,000 for every training camp session. I do not think they could support a OHL franchise.
     
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    I've heard differently. I know it is viable to an extent but support is poor and Corporate dollars are very weak. Plus the expenses of operating in a more remote location is also heavy.
     
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    Just get rid of the divisions. Problem solved.
     
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    They don't need to make money from the hockey operations. Abbott is hoping for more "external" run events in "his" arena. The Battalion got a surcharge on every ticket sold for the 2018 World women's curling PLUS all concessions for the 10 days the event was on. They have what has to be the best lease any sports team could ask for. He makes more money with city organized events at the Gardens and his hockey team playing home playoff games at a neutral site. Plus there is also a clause I've heard about that if the attendance drops below X the city pays the hockey team a surcharge to bring revenue up to a minimum previously agreed upon ticket sale floor.
     
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    Add 40,000 in population and a legitimate arena and you might be on to something.
     
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    I still like OlZamMan's idea from 2015:

    West: Flint, Saginaw, Soo, Sarnia, Windsor
    Midwest/South: Erie, Hamilton, Kitchener, London, Niagara
    Central: Barrie, Guelph, North Bay/Missy, Owen Sound, Sudbury
    East: Kingston, Oshawa, Ottawa, Peterborough, North Bay/Missy

    Keep doing the unbalanced scheduling for travel/rivalries with Soo/Sudbury, etc. with Guelph & Kitchener, Hamilton/Missy and perhaps others.


    At the very least, I would have figured Missy and Hamilton would have switched divisions after the move from Belleville by now. I guess we are still expecting another shoe to drop.
     
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    In terms of distance and time, Guelph & Kitchener must be the OHL’s quickest trip?
     
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    I agree about the Hamilton thing. I see that as the only adjustment that needs to be made. Maybe North Bay moves to the east and Hamilton to the Central?
     
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    Less then 30 km, and depending on traffic, less then a hour.
     
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    The distances between Hamilton and Mississauga is negligible. Just because Missy is closer to Oshawa doesn't really mean much.


    Have you ever tried to go from North Bay to any of the East teams? You can't go straight down.

    It would seriously sick for North Bay.
     
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    You're correct. I have no idea the routes out of North Bay to the east teams. I was just assuming to Ottawa - Kingston would be no different than what they do now and I thought Hwy 11 went right down into Oshawa but again it was only an assumption on my part. My real point was Hamilton having to play in the same division as Ottawa and Kingston.
     
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    I agree with most here that there probably isn’t any meaningful realignment on the horizon in the near future.

    However, awhile back I put forth a realignment idea that was an attempt to correct some of the power imbalance between the conferences (although for the first time in a long time, it looks like the Eastern Conference has the best teams this year).

    I suggested doing away with the divisions and having 2 conferences: the Northwest Conference and the Southeast Conference

    NW

    SSM
    Sby
    NB
    Sag
    Flt
    Sar
    Wsr
    Ldn
    OS
    Bar


    SE

    Kit
    Gue
    Ham
    Nia
    Erie
    Miss
    Osh
    Pbo
    Kgn
    Ott


    I know it looks strange; a team like London would travel through Kitchener and Guelph for an intra-conference game in Barrie for example. However, they already roll through Hamilton and Niagara for intra-conference games against Erie.

    Rival teams that are now in separate conferences can still play extra games against each other during the regular season in an unbalanced schedule, much like Owen Sound and Barrie currently do. As has been previously stated, the OHL doesn’t seem to have any problem whatsoever with an unbalanced schedule.

    On the plus side, adding a few traditionally strong franchises in Kitchener and Guelph to the old eastern bloc of teams would likely increase parity across the conferences. In addition, I kind of like the possibility of having a Kitchener vs London or Barrie vs Niagara final.
     
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    My point is Hamilton playing in the same division as Ottawa is no real different than Mississauga. North Bay is 4 hours from Ottawa and 45 minutes from Sudbury. Not a lot of sense there.

    Hamilton has to go to Ottawa and Kingston but are relatively close to Oshawa and Peterborough. Plus, Belleville moved there under the agreement that they remain in the same division so they have no one to blame but themselves.
     

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