Real Madrid - Liverpool: CL Final 26th May

[Mr Plow]

I see what I always saw. Ramos is catching up to Salah and started to put his arm across Salah's body to help gain leverage, that happens multiple times a game, no real issue with it. Salah also reaches his arm out to gain leverage/hold off Ramos, again no issues and it's very common. Salah underhooks Ramos' arm a little, maybe to help hold him off maybe out of instinct. As their arms are tied up, Ramos reaches out and toe pokes the ball away and starts to fall to the ground. Realizes he's still got his arm tied up with Salah and decides to hold on to drag him down too.

It was a foul and probably should have been a yellow card for the intentional takedown, but it's not remotely close to a red.

Also pretty telling that the "best view" is a slow motion shot cutting out everything below the waist and has a gap in the middle of it.

That is exactly what happened. It was a reckless foul that Ramos chose to make to prevent a scoring chance. It's not the worst tackle of all time like some of our fans are ridiculously making out to be even if it was committed by the biggest of all time.

It does bother me seeing all the "Ramos did nothing wrong" arguments across social media though. He deliberately dragged a player down by his arm in a reckless challenge to prevent a scoring chance. Since when is intentionally fouling someone in a reckless way not wrong?

Half the reaction seems to imply Ramos pulled Salah's arm out of its socket and clubbed him with it while the other half acts like he grabbed Salah's shirt and politely asked him to stop. It's bizarre.

 

[maclean]

Who’s that singer? She’s not good.

Ha, just saw the opening show now, her name's Dua Lipa, Kosovan/English singer, actually fairly popular (at least in Europe I guess?). That performance was pretty poor, it's true, though her recorded stuff and videos are actually pretty good (within the context of contemporary pop).

 

[les Habs]

It amazes me the "arms were tangled" argument. Also funny how it's "just a yellow card" and not a straight red when the same player then elbowed the opposition keeper while the score was 0-0.

I also like the narrative around Madrid. Ronaldo being "rotated" and "buying in" to only 27 starts when in fact he was actually rightfully suspended at the start of the season, despite his manager's insistence of a "black hand", which kept him out of 4 matches. That's not to mention the at least 2 matches he missed through injury. Then you've got the narrative about Madrid peaking. While Madrid did peak, it wasn't much of a peak. They still had 3 draws and 3 defeats in the league, which really should have been at minimum 2 and 4 respectively, where they also allowed 24 goals in the period mentioned which isn't even half a season. They weren't running rampant in the CL either. Then you've got Saturday's Final where with refs not showing up yet again, the opposition keeper giving them two goals and a wonder goal that you'll rarely see.

 

[hatterson]

 

[les Habs]

LOL. Yeah, that's why I shook the hand of a Madridista co-worker today to congratulate him and who agrees with me on pretty much the entire match. It's not salt, it's context, perspective and facts. You should try it, but I won't hold my breath. Still, no judgement, because...

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

Here's an advice to Loris Karius. Talk with Toni Schumacher. He can tell you everything.
Toni got (rightfully) crucified for his actions in the France game vs. Battiston. He recovered.

Toni's actions ended up giving his team the win. Karius' actions ended up losing the match for his team. A notable difference. Ramos is getting crucified, too, and yet I am sure he will not lose any sleep over it - because he won.

 

[Jussi]

I see what I always saw. Ramos is catching up to Salah and started to put his arm across Salah's body to help gain leverage, that happens multiple times a game, no real issue with it. Salah also reaches his arm out to gain leverage/hold off Ramos, again no issues and it's very common. Salah underhooks Ramos' arm a little, maybe to help hold him off maybe out of instinct. As their arms are tied up, Ramos reaches out and toe pokes the ball away and starts to fall to the ground. Realizes he's still got his arm tied up with Salah and decides to hold on to drag him down too.

It was a foul and probably should have been a yellow card for the intentional takedown, but it's not remotely close to a red.

Also pretty telling that the "best view" is a slow motion shot cutting out everything below the waist and has a gap in the middle of it.

He actually grabbed Ramos's arm:

 

[Bon Esprit]

According to bild Karius had a concussion after Ramos' elbow check.

Can't post the entire article because of paywall.
https://www.bild.de/bild-plus/sport...ten-55900846,view=conversionToLogin.bild.html

So, if this is correct it's Ramos 2 Liverpool 0

 

[Savant]

According to bild Karius had a concussion after Ramos' elbow check.

Can't post the entire article because of paywall.
https://www.bild.de/bild-plus/sport...ten-55900846,view=conversionToLogin.bild.html

So, if this is correct it's Ramos 2 Liverpool 0

Karius went to America for post-concussion symptoms. Getting a scan.

 

[Suiteness]

Karius went to America for post-concussion symptoms. Getting a scan.

Can't they do this in Europe?

 

[Live in the Now]

Not surprised. The mistakes were totally uncharacteristic.

 

[koyvoo]

Karius was concussed in Champions League final, hospital confirms

 

[Savant]

Ramos MOTM

 

[Bon Esprit]

Can't they do this in Europe?

I read Pool owners (Fenway) wanted him to do the scans in the US, at Boston General Hospital
Other papers in Germany picked up the story. It is said he had "visual spatial dysfunctions" after the Ramos hit.

 

[Savant]

I read Pool owners (Fenway) wanted him to do the scans in the US, at Boston General Hospital
Other papers in Germany picked up the story. It is said he had "visual spatial dysfunctions" after the Ramos hit.

Yeah getting hit in the head isnt fun.

 

[Live in the Now]

Liverpool has been sending players to the US for treatment for some time now. Obviously our healthcare system is trash, but for those who can afford the best specialists, there are many to be found here.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Liverpool has been sending players to the US for treatment for some time now. Obviously our healthcare system is trash, but for those who can afford the best specialists, there are many to be found here.

Liverpool are owned by Americans... that is probably the number #1 reason.

 

[Chimaera]

The best concussion doctors are here.

To be fair, if you have money, American Healthcare is the best. If you don't, not so much.

 

[Hadoop]

Objectively speaking this should shine a new light into his gaffs. *should* being the operative word.

Unsurprising who the perpetrator is as well.

 

[les Habs]

I think @Chimaera is right that the best concussion specialists are probably here, especially at this point in time in history. As disgusting as Ramos' intentional hitting Karius was, it's even worse he's escaped punishment.

 

[les Habs]

Ramos: "I am only missing Roberto Firmino saying he got a cold because a drop of my sweat landed on him."

 

[Savant]

Ramos: "I am only missing Roberto Firmino saying he got a cold because a drop of my sweat landed on him."

That's how to get the spotlight off yourself in 2018. Make a trolly joke for all the low IQs on the Twitterverse to jump on, meanwhile devaluing the impact of head injuries.

I remember when people made fun of Eric Lindros too.

 

[gary69]

Didn't bother to start next season's thread yet, but the first couple of qualifying round draws have been made. As the first matches are already on July 11th, some of the World Cup players might not get must rest. I think Celtic have at least four players at the WC, and likes of Red Star (SRB) and Legia (POL) have a couple of guys as well, Malmö (SWE) has one as well.