Real Madrid - Liverpool: CL Final 26th May

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Who wins?

Poll closed May 27, 2018.
  1. Real Madrid

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  2. Liverpool

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  1. koyvoo

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    I only watched the first half. Maybe it was fatigue, or Fulham-Villa had eroded my patience, but after Salah went off I found the spectacle rather uninteresting- apart from when the ball reached Modric's feet. Too much running, not enough wit.
     
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    That's the Twitter era for you. Give a moron a microphone
     
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    It's true. Ferguson didn't dance with supporters after losing the 2009 final.

    Which served him brilliantly when he returned in 2011 and wo...

    Oh.
     
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    At least he won in 99 and 08. ;)
     
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    Indeed.

    By the bye, since the old tyrant had to wait until he was 57 years old break his duck, that gives the soon-to-be-51 Klopp a few years to learn the importance of not smiling for at least a month following a big loss.
     
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    I hope Klopp never changes for anything. I would rather get to a final and lose every year, or never get there again, rather than have some odious **** like Mourinho who got wrecked by Barcelona a few times and decided he would park the bus and become a ******** for the rest of his life. I don't see any fun in that, and fun is the reason we watch this stuff in the first place.

    It is nice when a team's manager knows not to take themselves too seriously.
     
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    The tweeter himself is probably not objective. Lol. But this is the best view (alternate angle) of the Ramos/Salah incident.

     
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    The way Ramos swings his own arm down is something he tried to do to Salah a second or so before, but he was too far behind him. Ramos was already trying to do this immediately before it actually happened.

    The German television slow motion replay shows Ramos clearly looked up at Karius and sticks his elbow out and catches Karius. No need for that movement when he does other than to make contact. On top of that watch his reaction after the play. He looks back and makes out that he somehow is the victim.
     
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    Agreed, but I think we're in a minority.
     
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    Wow. Theo Hernandez is a bigger *****ebag than I thought he was.
     
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    I am not going to say that RM was ****ting their pants, they were absolutely bending yet they did not break. I would be more concerned if I was a Red fan and saw how bad Liverpool responded when Salah was subbed off. True, that he's your best player and is probably the best player in form for the past three months in the world. But still, that was quite a pathetic response for the rest of your players. Firmino in particular was just brutal, he had that nice chance which went millimeters over his head, but nothing after that. Even a Viagra-less Benzema who's looked bad all season outplayed Firmino in the final game.

    Beating City four times is the absolute worst case that could happen to you guys. Pep is too good of a manager to have this happen to him again, beating him so much will make him prepare extra amount this time in video and sending scouts. You're the guys who beat their undefeated season, they're going to have a lot of beef to settle for next season. Just because you might've matched up well with them this year doesn't mean anything for next season.

    Honestly, any team can use Fekir ranging from Notts County to Bayern so I don't disagree that Liverpool can really use Fekir. The problem though is that there is only one other team in ALL of football who can have a bench as good as Real Madrid and that team is Barcelona. These two teams have the aura in any single young footballer's heart where there's a special place for them. Enough that they would want to play from the bench as we've seen great players wasted away coming as subs. Liverpool might realistically get Fekir, but I guarantee that the player he replaces will be gone from the squad within a year. They will never ever have a bench where a player like Bale comes on or even Asensio for that matter. That isn't a negative to Liverpool, but as I mentioned there are only two teams who can have squads that deep. One might be joining them in Man City, but we'll see a couple years from now.

    True Suisse did upset Canada and Finland, but they still lost meaning there was always one more powerhouse team in their way. I wasn't really talking about 2018's, but the last one where Suisse randomly made the finals and just got crushed by Sweden. That isn't even mentioning that Liverpool almost lost it to Roma on the second leg as well. If they were facing Barca and played like they did at Anfield, they would have gotten annihilated. Barca, Bayern, and PSG can all beat Liverpool based upon the teams in the paper game. Furthermore, Allergi's Juve of two years ago before they had that lockerroom fight would have shutdown this Pool.

    It doesn't matter what Roma or Atletico paid for those goalkeepers, it is what they're going to get which is all that matters. We see it all the time in Evilo's post about all these mid-table to bottom-table clubs randomly finding superstars to sell them for 60 million pounds later. For example, even though they're on the upper portion of the table, Monaco is perfect at this game as well as a lot of Serie A clubs. Even though I slightly disagree with Edo in terms that goalkeepers are not inflated in price compared to players, someone like Oblak will go for more than 50 million pounds. De Gea should go for the upper 60's and honestly both are worth the prices for me.

    Karius was NEVER Liverpool's long term solution or plan, he was a stopgap since Mignolet lost the starting job.

    Not even close, the Champion's League trophy is the third most important event after the World Cup and Euros. If Liverpool won, they would be joining a legendary group entirely composed of the best footballers ever to play the game since the beginning of the tournament (except Chelsea, that was still beyond fluke). Since they lost and in a hilarious fashion, Karius' mistake is simply the worst.

    LOL, amazing banter here.

    Don't get me wrong that Ramos is a thug, but I don't think he meant to injury him nor was it a red card. Salah saw he was running towards him and tried to protect the ball with his body in which he brought his arms high. Ramos not knowing any better since he's always played as a thug, kept going with his momentum like a thug getting tangled up and eventually dislocating Salah's arm. Don't have too much sympathy since Salah went down easily at least five times by my recollection before he was actually injured.
     
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    The excuses here are really starting to get boarder line make believe. The games over. Let’s move on. Don’t be a sore loser nor a sore winner.
     
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    And here I was thinking, a Seph post pretty much without controversy... up until the last bit.

    I am not saying it should have been a red card, nor am I say it was "intent to injure". But if you read people's posts, that's not what most people are saying either. The fact is, a lot of times people get called on fouls or get carded, it's for something possibly banal, but eminently visible. You see it all the time with controversial penalty calls - "sure it wasn't that bad but he put his hands on him so what can he expect". Ramos is an expert at doing horrible **** while making it look like the kind of stuff that happens in a game all the time (as well as vice versa of course - making stuff that happens in a game all the time look like he was shot by a sniper from the terrace). So I don't blame the ref for not calling anything on it and I don't agree that ref bias was in play for it not being called. But you can't watch that slow motion replay and not come to the conclusion that Ramos is doing his best to yank him into an at best uncomfortable fall. Essentially it was as reckless as a studs-up tackle, just much more "clever" and covert.
     
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    Part of that is luck, but part of that is the physio team and rotations.
    Real played fantastic football in 2015, then Modric (and a few others) got absolutely ran down by the end of the season, and injured. It was Ancelotti's team, it was great football - but with no rotations, and the starting 11 was dead by the semis. No Modric, Juve won, fair and square.

    Since Zidane came along, they rotate, even Ronaldo sits out games in La Liga (last year playing only 29, effectively giving up the top scorer title to be fir for the latter part of the season, and this season 27).
    Zidane's authority and players buying into the whole thing eventually led to Real peaking from February onwards.
    They were absolutely destroyed by injuries at the start of the year and people were already calling them "done" etc.
    Like I was saying then, they are the end boss of CL. This is the competition that defines them, and the competition they care most about.

    Injuries are a part of the game. I'm pretty sure blaming other teams injuries for Real winning 4 CLs in 5 years is... Silly.
     
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    That gif sort of ignores both of them going for the ball and initially trying block the other one with their arm. Normal speed is actually more indicative of the situation than slow motion.
     
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    Some insights from from the perspective of former Premier League goalkeeper Shaka Hislop

     
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    It's always good to see Liverpool lose.
     
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    Here's an advice to Loris Karius. Talk with Toni Schumacher. He can tell you everything.
    Toni got (rightfully) crucified for his actions in the France game vs. Battiston. He recovered.
     
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    I mean, using your arm like that to try to gain position is fairly common. The weird part is that the arms stayed tangled the whole way down. I don't see it as being as nefarious as some people do, perhaps because I've seen arms get tangled during a fall before. A foul definitely should have been called and if a yellow had been awarded, fine, but a lot of times that doesn't get called because appendages do get tangled in soccer. How often do we see something correctly not get called because "their legs tangled?" It's the same thing here, just with a bad outcome.
     
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    I definitely agree with Hislop on the first goal. Karius just wasn't aware enough of his surroundings and that's indicative of someone who's nervous and inexperienced. A mistake due to that is bound to happen, but usually it's something like throwing the ball out of bounds on accident. This was just an extreme.

    For the second, I don't see that being the case. I do think he probably got presumptuous, but he also didn't have his body in the right place and seemed to be in two minds about catching or punching. That's the issue to me.
     
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    I see what I always saw. Ramos is catching up to Salah and started to put his arm across Salah's body to help gain leverage, that happens multiple times a game, no real issue with it. Salah also reaches his arm out to gain leverage/hold off Ramos, again no issues and it's very common. Salah underhooks Ramos' arm a little, maybe to help hold him off maybe out of instinct. As their arms are tied up, Ramos reaches out and toe pokes the ball away and starts to fall to the ground. Realizes he's still got his arm tied up with Salah and decides to hold on to drag him down too.

    It was a foul and probably should have been a yellow card for the intentional takedown, but it's not remotely close to a red.

    Also pretty telling that the "best view" is a slow motion shot cutting out everything below the waist and has a gap in the middle of it.
     
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