Where did I talk about Murphy besides me using him as well as several other players as an example? And on that note, so Murphys a drunk? Wow never knew he was an severe alcoholic, because thats why Fogarty never became anything. Seems you want to drive this off topic to attempt to prove your incorrect point.
You're seriously one of the worst homers I've ever seen. NHL hockey and junior hockey included. You just can't accept the fact Ellis is mentoring Ebert this year. Which I still can't understand why you won't accept that. Its a good thing, not a bad thing, but you want to make it look like Ebert is some super player destined to go #1 since he was 14 so you try to come up with bulslhit. I've seen 6 Windsor games this year, every single one but the Kitchener game a few nights ago, Ellis has been playing in them, and Ebert was on his pairing almost every time Ellis was on the ice.
honestly your arguments are silly.
the man has torched you a number of times, yet you keep coming back for more! I love it!
Ebert and Ellis simply do not play that much together, yet you continue to spew off your garbage as if they do. Maybe Ellis is a fine mentor on the bench or the lockeroom, that is great and many players have had that throughout their careers (and even if they have played side by side all year long, I still dont get how that makes Ebert any worse). But it is on the ice as to what seperates Ebert from the rest. Ellis isnt helping Ebert pump in 8 goals this year, and Ellis isnt helping Ebert make every single pass on the ice as well. at some point your going to have to acknowledge that Ebert has the tools and skills to be the very best at his position by 2012.
you definitely seem to have an axe to grind with Ebert and that is fine, but at least bring up some valid points as to why anyone else is better at defense then Ebert instead of a supposed mentor whom Ebert rarely plays along side.
as for Murray, he is a very very solid player. Watched him twice this season. and for you to say he isnt an offensive defenseman is hilarious. Murray isnt going to be a shut down dman at any level, if he does make it to the pros it will be on his wheels and vision; which usually equates to being an offensive minded defeseman. I never said that is all that Murray is about, but that has been his calling card for years now and it is funny how the numbers arent coming around as originally "pimped" and now the kid isnt an offensive defenseman? pretty interesting.
you can twist things around all you like, but the bottom line is this: Ebert is the top performing all around dman for the 2012 draft currently, and Ryan Murray is behind him at this point. It isnt just the numbers either, the way Ebert plays the game is years ahead of his age, and I have seen near a dozen others support that as well.
There is still a long way to go before the 2012 draft and Ryan Murray could turn into the next Drew Doughty, but as it stands now, Nick Ebert is the all around better dman....