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Legionnaire11

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Looking for some help on my annual rating project. Shouldn't take more than 15 mins if you watched most of the Blackhawks games last season. So the areas that we're rating are on a five point scale and go as follows:
  • Player Role: This is really what type of player they are, and specifically where they would slot into the average NHL team, not necessarily Chicago. So they could be Elite/All-Star, 1st liner, 2nd liner, 3rd liner, 4th liner/Scratch, Minor leaguer, High-end prospect, Low-end prospect.
  • Skating: Straight ahead speed should be the primary consideration. Rate on the provided scale where 1 is the lowest, 5 is the highest and 3 is average.
  • Defense: Overall defensive skill but primarily gap control and using their stick and body to neutralize an attacker. Rate on the 1-5 scale.
The Scale:
5 - Well above average
4 - Above average
3 - Average
2 - Below Average
1 - Well below average
(In reality some player could be a 0 or 6, for example McDavid would rate as a 6 in skating, this would be an extremely rare case and most teams won't have a 0 or 6 in any area)

I need only 2-3 submissions, and the help is extremely appreciated!

For reference, here are the players that I'm looking for:
Zack Smith
Jonathan Toews
Dylan Strome
Ryan Carpenter
Kirby Dach
John Quenneville
Matthew Highmore
David Kampf
Drake Caggiula
Brandon Saad
Anton Wedin
Alex Nylander
Dominik Kubalik
Brandon Hagel
Alex DeBrincat
Andrew Shaw
Patrick Kane
Dylan Sikura
Brent Seabrook
Dennis Gilbert
Connor Murphy
Olli Maatta
Nick Seeler
Calvin de Haan
Slater Koekkoek
Duncan Keith
Lucas Carlsson
Adam Boqvist
Nicolas Beaudin
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JaegerDice

JaegerDice

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Legionnaire11 said:
Looking for some help on my annual rating project. Shouldn't take more than 15 mins if you watched most of the Blackhawks games last season. So the areas that we're rating are on a five point scale and go as follows:
  • Player Role: This is really what type of player they are, and specifically where they would slot into the average NHL team, not necessarily Chicago. So they could be Elite/All-Star, 1st liner, 2nd liner, 3rd liner, 4th liner/Scratch, Minor leaguer, High-end prospect, Low-end prospect.
  • Skating: Straight ahead speed should be the primary consideration. Rate on the provided scale where 1 is the lowest, 5 is the highest and 3 is average.
  • Defense: Overall defensive skill but primarily gap control and using their stick and body to neutralize an attacker. Rate on the 1-5 scale.
The Scale:
5 - Well above average
4 - Above average
3 - Average
2 - Below Average
1 - Well below average
(In reality some player could be a 0 or 6, for example McDavid would rate as a 6 in skating, this would be an extremely rare case and most teams won't have a 0 or 6 in any area)

I need only 2-3 submissions, and the help is extremely appreciated!

For reference, here are the players that I'm looking for:
Zack Smith
Jonathan Toews
Dylan Strome
Ryan Carpenter
Kirby Dach
John Quenneville
Matthew Highmore
David Kampf
Drake Caggiula
Brandon Saad
Anton Wedin
Alex Nylander
Dominik Kubalik
Brandon Hagel
Alex DeBrincat
Andrew Shaw
Patrick Kane
Dylan Sikura
Brent Seabrook
Dennis Gilbert
Connor Murphy
Olli Maatta
Nick Seeler
Calvin de Haan
Slater Koekkoek
Duncan Keith
Lucas Carlsson
Adam Boqvist
Nicolas Beaudin
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So you want 3 ratings for each player?
 
JaegerDice

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Legionnaire11 said:
Correct. Simple formatting is fine, something like role/skating/defense is good:

Patrick Kane: all-star/5/3
Jonathan Toews: 1st line/3/4
etc.

And those are just a quick example, not implying those are actually the Kane and Toews ratings.
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Ok, cool.

Probably won't get to it til tomorrow cause I'm driving up to the cabin today, but shouldn't be a problem.
 
Brightwing

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It's kind of apples to oranges because of roles. So for example I would rate David Kampf very highly for his role but if I'm comparing him to Toews he would look mediocre or poor. How can you possibly compare the two?
 
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Zack Smith
Player Role: 4th liner/Scratch
Skating: 3
Defense: 3

Jonathan Toews
Player Role: 1st liner
Skating: 4
Defense: 4

Dylan Strome
Player Role: 2nd liner
Skating: 2
Defense: 2

Ryan Carpenter
Player Role: 4th liner
Skating: 3
Defense: 4

Kirby Dach
Player Role: 3rd liner/high end prospect
Skating: 4
Defense: 3

John Quenneville
Player Role: Minor leaguer
Skating: 3
Defense: 2

Matthew Highmore
Player Role: Minor leaguer
Skating: 3
Defense: 2

David Kampf
Player Role: 4th liner
Skating: 3
Defense: 4

Drake Caggiula
Player Role: 4th liner
Skating: 3
Defense: 2

Brandon Saad
Player Role: 2nd liner
Skating: 4
Defense: 4

Anton Wedin
Player Role: minor leaguer
Skating: 3
Defense: 2

Alex Nylander
Player Role: 3rd liner
Skating: 3
Defense: 3

Dominik Kubalik
Player Role: 1st liner
Skating: 3
Defense: 4

Brandon Hagel
Player Role: low end prospect
Skating: 4
Defense: 2

Alex DeBrincat
Player Role: 2nd liner
Skating: 3
Defense: 2

Andrew Shaw
Player Role: 3rd liner
Skating: 3
Defense: 3

Patrick Kane
Player Role: Elite/All-Star
Skating: 4
Defense: 1

Dylan Sikura
Player Role: low end prospect
Skating: 3
Defense: 2

Brent Seabrook
Player Role: 7thD
Skating: 0
Defense: 1

Dennis Gilbert
Player Role: minor leaguer
Skating: 3
Defense: 1

Connor Murphy
Player Role: top 4
Skating: 4
Defense: 5

Olli Maatta
Player Role: top 6
Skating: 2
Defense: 3

Nick Seeler
Player Role: minor leaguer
Skating: 3
Defense: 1

Calvin de Haan
Player Role: top 6
Skating: 3
Defense: 3

Slater Koekkoek
Player Role: top 6
Skating: 3
Defense: 3

Duncan Keith
Player Role: top 4
Skating: 4
Defense: 4

Lucas Carlsson
Player Role: low end prospect
Skating: 3
Defense: 2

Adam Boqvist
Player Role: top 4/high end prospect
Skating: 4
Defense: 3

Nicolas Beaudin
Player Role: high end prospect
Skating: 3
Defense: 3
 
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SotasicA

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Seeler - bottom pair / scratch
skating: 2
defense: 3

Gilbert - bottom pair / scratch
skating: 3
defense: 3

Both better defensively, and more physical, than Koekkoek.
 
SotasicA

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Mrfenn92 said:
Neither one better defense wise then Koekkoek. More physical yes.
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Shutdown is basically the only thing Seeler does. He has no puck skills.

He might actually be above average defensively.

Koekkoek sucks. But he is probably the fastest skater on the team.
 
SotasicA

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ChiHawks10 said:
Lol.
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Since that's clearly too much to ask, you could also just check out their pro scouting reports.

Slater Koekkoek Stats, Profile, Bio, Analysis and More | Chicago Blackhawks | The Sports Forecaster
Nick Seeler Stats, Profile, Bio, Analysis and More | Chicago Blackhawks | The Sports Forecaster

Seeler's penalty killing and shutdown ability is not a secret among people who have seen him play.

Once a small kid with a fiery temper, Nick Seeler now winning over the Wild
 
JaegerDice

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Zack Smith
Player Role: Minor Leaguer
Skating: 0
Defense: 1

Jonathan Toews
Player Role: 1st liner
Skating: 4
Defense: 3

Dylan Strome
Player Role: 3rd liner
Skating: 0
Defense: 2

Ryan Carpenter
Player Role: 4th liner
Skating: 3
Defense: 3

Kirby Dach
Player Role: 3rd liner/high end prospect
Skating: 3
Defense: 3

John Quenneville
Player Role: Minor leaguer
Skating: 1
Defense: 1

Matthew Highmore
Player Role: Minor leaguer/4th liner
Skating: 3
Defense: 2

David Kampf
Player Role: 4th liner
Skating: 3
Defense: 4

Drake Caggiula
Player Role: 3rd liner
Skating: 3
Defense: 2

Brandon Saad
Player Role: 2nd liner
Skating: 4
Defense: 4

Anton Wedin
Player Role: minor leaguer
Skating: 3
Defense: 2

Alex Nylander
Player Role: 3rd liner
Skating: 3
Defense: 2

Dominik Kubalik
Player Role: 1st liner
Skating: 3
Defense: 2

Brandon Hagel
Player Role: low end prospect
Skating: 4
Defense: 2

Alex DeBrincat
Player Role: 2nd liner
Skating: 3
Defense: 2

Andrew Shaw
Player Role: 3rd liner
Skating: 3
Defense: 3

Patrick Kane
Player Role: Elite/All-Star
Skating: 4
Defense: 0

Dylan Sikura
Player Role: low end prospect
Skating: 3
Defense: 2

Brent Seabrook
Player Role: Minor leaguer
Skating: 0
Defense: 0

Dennis Gilbert
Player Role: minor leaguer
Skating: 2
Defense: 0

Connor Murphy
Player Role: top 4
Skating: 3
Defense: 4

Olli Maatta
Player Role: top 6
Skating: 1
Defense: 3

Nick Seeler
Player Role: minor leaguer
Skating: 3
Defense: 1

Calvin de Haan
Player Role: top 4
Skating: 2
Defense: 4

Slater Koekkoek
Player Role: top 6
Skating: 3
Defense: 2

Duncan Keith
Player Role: top 4
Skating: 4
Defense: 4

Lucas Carlsson
Player Role: low end prospect
Skating: 3
Defense: 2

Adam Boqvist
Player Role: high end prospect
Skating: 3
Defense: 2

Nicolas Beaudin
Player Role: high end prospect
Skating: 3
Defense: 3
 
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SotasicA

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Since everybody's ratings seem well off, I need to add a legit one here.

FORWARDS

Kubalik
skating: 3
defense: 3

Toews
skating: 3
defense: 5

Quenneville
skating: 3
defense: 2

Caggiula
skating: 3
defense: 3

Kane
skating: 4
defense: 0

Dach
skating: 3
defense: 2

DeBrincat
skating: 2
defense: 1

Strome
skating: 1
defense: 2

Saad
skating: 3
defense: 3

Highmore
skating: 4
defense: 3

Kampf
skating: 2
defense: 4

Carpenter
skating: 2
defense: 4

Smith
skating: 2
defense: 4

Shaw
skating: 3
defense: 2

Tempted to put Quenneville at 4, because he's kind of fast. But he's not using it often. Everybody is pretty average. Kane is nimble. The fastest guy in the organisation is (Ice Hogs') Alexandre Fortin.
The fourth line guys are the best PKers, plus Toews. The rest are nothing special. Saad used to be good two ways. He's gotten lazy.

DEFENSE

Keith
skating: 3
defense: 5

Murphy
skating: 3
defense: 3

Maatta
skating: 1
defense: 3

Koekkoek
skating: 4
defense: 2

de Haan
skating: 3
defense: 3

Boqvist
skating: 4
defense: 1

Seabrook
skating: 1
defense: 3*

Seeler
skating: 2
defense: 3

Pretty mobile D aside from Maatta (and Seabs). Murphy is fast for his size. De Haan was fast as an Islander. Now maybe only slightly better than average. Keith used to be elite, but now barely average.
Defensively there really is only one guy that can be trusted. I got Boqvist at 1 because he was rushed in, and is well protected. Has he even seen any PK time?

Seabrook is a mystery at this point. Is he completely broken or still semi-serviceable as a PKer? He used to be a 5 defensively, for sure. An elite shutdown guy. Now nobody knows. Nick Seeler's bread and butter is his shutdown ability. The only reason he's got 100+ games in the NHL is the fact he can PK. Should make him a 4, really. Ignore the haters.

Gilbert is my favourite Blackhawk. He is amazing at everything he does. My bias makes it impossible to rank him.
 
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ClydeLee

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I dont get how so many people rank Highmore's skating low or avg. All he really brings is his skating and hustle. Guy had a sub 14 second fastest skater time in the ahl allstar game ranking, 2nd in that comp. I get him being irrelevant and overlooked and just not thought of.
 
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