Proposal: Rasmus Ristolainen. What would we want?
- Thread starter HogtownSabresfan
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Toronto is an obvious choice but let’s take a look at what we have realistically in the pipeline over the next couple years without Risto
Dahlin
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Pilut
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Guhle
Laaksonen
Samuelson
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Borgon
Obviously Dahlin is huge and fills a massive need once we won the lotto but even before that the cupboard was pretty bare. Hell, last year we were literally hinging our future on the success of Guhle lol.
Risto is a solid defenseman who I believe is slowly being spotted into his “true” role which is a top 4 D that can do a bit of everything. He has some offensive upside, solid skater, big and tough, powerful shot... just not a guy you want to anchor your defense around and I’m cool with that because we have Dahlin.
So sure, if Dubas calls me up and offers Marner for Risto as the base of the deal I’m accepting immediately. I’ll worry about defense later. In that situation (or a similar one) you’re getting the “better” player even if it’s a premium swap. Marner > Risto but D>W.
At some point Buffalo has to “build up” the roster vs grabbing futures. I think what you’d start at is something like this:
Risto +
For
[Immediate impact Roster Player probably 2C/1W, term required even if UFA after]
[highish end d prospect (B/B+), projects as a possible top4 d, preferably in NHL or just outside]
[1st round pick in 2019 or UNprotected 2020]
Risto is valuable but the Sabres already have a bit of question marks after Dahlin/Risto. Pilut seems solid. After that you kinda know what you have in Bogo, Beaulieu, Nelson and Scandella. In any trade it’s an absolute requirement Buffalo gets the best player back in the deal. This is not like the ROR trade where we got futures back. Any deal needs to be undisputed in who got the best player. You want our top 4 D who is very versatile? Great you’re paying a position premium and we’re taking the better player back. Period.
Dahlin
.
.
Pilut
.
.
Guhle
Laaksonen
Samuelson
.
.
.
Borgon
Obviously Dahlin is huge and fills a massive need once we won the lotto but even before that the cupboard was pretty bare. Hell, last year we were literally hinging our future on the success of Guhle lol.
Risto is a solid defenseman who I believe is slowly being spotted into his “true” role which is a top 4 D that can do a bit of everything. He has some offensive upside, solid skater, big and tough, powerful shot... just not a guy you want to anchor your defense around and I’m cool with that because we have Dahlin.
So sure, if Dubas calls me up and offers Marner for Risto as the base of the deal I’m accepting immediately. I’ll worry about defense later. In that situation (or a similar one) you’re getting the “better” player even if it’s a premium swap. Marner > Risto but D>W.
At some point Buffalo has to “build up” the roster vs grabbing futures. I think what you’d start at is something like this:
Risto +
For
[Immediate impact Roster Player probably 2C/1W, term required even if UFA after]
[highish end d prospect (B/B+), projects as a possible top4 d, preferably in NHL or just outside]
[1st round pick in 2019 or UNprotected 2020]
Risto is valuable but the Sabres already have a bit of question marks after Dahlin/Risto. Pilut seems solid. After that you kinda know what you have in Bogo, Beaulieu, Nelson and Scandella. In any trade it’s an absolute requirement Buffalo gets the best player back in the deal. This is not like the ROR trade where we got futures back. Any deal needs to be undisputed in who got the best player. You want our top 4 D who is very versatile? Great you’re paying a position premium and we’re taking the better player back. Period.
Risto for Draisatl.
And then we can watch
Skinner Eich
Draisatl Reinhart
And watch stokes head explode.
And then we can watch
Skinner Eich
Draisatl Reinhart
And watch stokes head explode.
Exactly. The majority of people have focused on the Leafs because Marner and Matthews are more high profile than Laine, Connor, and Trouba and Toronto always gets more publicity. Winnipeg is a team that'll have to make some tough choices in the coming years. Maybe not this off-season if they play hardball with Laine and Connor and maybe bridge them to keep their cap hits down, but sooner or later a good player may have to moved for cap reasons and it looks like time is running out for them and Trouba. This would be the time to strike.
I'm not interested in moving him. Taking him out of the lineup opens up a hole that they are not in the position to fill at this time or in the near future.
The fact that people want to move Risto is laughable.
Dreakon13
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I don't think this is a move that we need to be making right now. We just need some honest NHL-level middle 6 forward talent. I don't think we need to leverage him to fill that hole. Hell, it may just happen naturally as we bring up reinforcements from Rochester. EDIT: Though I do think we could use a modest trade or two to address it as well.
While Risto is NOT a fancy stat darling playing obscene 1D minutes, I'm in the camp he can be a tremendous player if just pushed down the depth chart one or two spots (which is due to happen as Dahlin develops). I'd want to keep him around barring some unbelievable package coming back.
While Risto is NOT a fancy stat darling playing obscene 1D minutes, I'm in the camp he can be a tremendous player if just pushed down the depth chart one or two spots (which is due to happen as Dahlin develops). I'd want to keep him around barring some unbelievable package coming back.
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This team should be adding Risto like players not subtracting them.
Which is easier said than done. It's mind boggling that there's actually a contingent that would move him without a defenseman coming back to replace him.
UnleashRasmus
Rasmus has gone Super Saiyan VI!
First off, f*** the idea of trading him to the Leafs. Unless they're sending us Marner, Sandin and a 1st; they can swing. How would you want to send him to help them. Also, if Kadri ever is in a Sabres uniform, I might boycott. He's a fine hockey player, but I simply cannot stand him.
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Y'all have to much power
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Ryan Spooner
Evan Bouchard
Ryan McLeod
Rasmus Ristolainen
Sean Malone
We get our young 2c, a promising dman, a decent forward prospect and a change of scenery forward/cap dump.
Edmonton gets cap space, a top pairing dman signed long term, and a very near future bottom six center.
Ryan Spooner
Evan Bouchard
Ryan McLeod
Rasmus Ristolainen
Sean Malone
We get our young 2c, a promising dman, a decent forward prospect and a change of scenery forward/cap dump.
Edmonton gets cap space, a top pairing dman signed long term, and a very near future bottom six center.
Too many Ryans involved in one trade.
You think having McAvoy last season puts Buffalo ahead of Ottawa? I don't.
Edit - doesn't matter anyway, without a crystal ball forecasting Dahlin the team had a choice of several very good D-men to pick, which they were desperate for, and they went with a winger instead. D-men are higher impact players than wings, and the wing they got is teetering on bust. Indefensible.
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I like for us, but I think Edmonton is desperate for secondary scoring. Not sure that they can afford to lose RNH without getting some back.
This is the dumbest logic. You either have the courage or you don't. You don't take less to move him to other conference. Coward move.
Then you dont. Atleast in a real world where overpayments of that magnitude to warrant a trade to the Leafs that would make sense does not happen.
stokes84
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That would seem to be what might be on the table in a Risto to Toronto trade.
I don't see Buffalo making a deal like that.
I think it would really have to be a RNH or Duchene with an extension type deal. Probably unlikely
stokes84
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Liljegren + Kadri. I’d do it all day.
The only problem is that we would be letting them off the hook for cap issues. But, you know somebody is going to help them.
The only problem is that we would be letting them off the hook for cap issues. But, you know somebody is going to help them.
