Rasmus Dahlin

[sadpanda]

He's promising but he's not as good right now as Dahlin is.

No, a little bit better actually

 

[stampedingviking]

He's promising but he's not as good right now as Dahlin is.

No, he's currently better.

In the future, who knows.

 

[golgoXIII]

Phenomenal instincts. I’m gonna say multiple Norris’s. Contending as early as 2019/2020.

Floor - Bourque

(and if there is one,)
Ceiling - Orr

my my .. Floor the def with the most points in NHL History... hope this one is a joke

 

[Lukin1978]

Phenomenal instincts. I’m gonna say multiple Norris’s. Contending as early as 2019/2020.

Floor - Bourque

(and if there is one,)
Ceiling - Orr

 

[CanuckGame39]

Phenomenal instincts. I’m gonna say multiple Norris’s. Contending as early as 2019/2020.

Floor - Bourque

(and if there is one,)
Ceiling - Orr

 

[gretskidoo]

I see we're still doing the "Bu-bu-bu-bu Heiskanen" every time Dahlin is mentioned on here. If he was really better, you would've stopped doing it 2 months ago.

Was Ekblad going up against Pettersson and the year he's having?

Ekblad wasn't even the best rookie defenseman in his year. He won because of his age.

 

[Machinehead]

No, a little bit better actually

No, he's currently better.

In the future, who knows.

The only thing Heiskanen does better is score goals.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

The only thing Heiskanen does better is score goals.

he also plays tougher minutes, so it's tough to compare straight up. I think he's the better 5v5 player though

 

[Machinehead]

he also plays tougher minutes, so it's tough to compare straight up. I think he's the better 5v5 player though

It's not like Heiskanen is getting destroyed. His QoC is 60th among defensemen. I also wouldn't exactly call Dahlin sheltered.

Heiskanen faces marginally harder competition and is demonstratively inferior at driving play.

It's amazing that Heiskanen is playing very solid hockey at 19 but Dahlin is dominating at 18.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

It's not like Heiskanen is getting destroyed. His QoC is 60th among defensemen. I also wouldn't exactly call Dahlin sheltered.

Heiskanen faces marginally harder competition and is demonstratively inferior at driving play.

It's amazing that Heiskanen is playing very solid hockey at 19 but Dahlin is dominating at 18.

I think there is still a difference between legit first line competition (57th in QoC) and 2nd line competition like Dahlin (148th in QoC) is facing. Dahlin is objectively better for his age, but it's probably fair to call it a toss up right now. Expecting Heiskanen to drive play as much as Dahlin does wouldn't be reasonable, and he does produce more

 

[Conbon]

If you know anything about hockey beyond goals and assists and trophies you can see he’s lived up to expectations. Dahlin is a freak, who is obviously only scratching the surface of his potential.

I was told Dahlin was the perfect mix of Lidstrom and Forsberg. That's generational. Thats 80+ points a year potential with perfect defence. Dahlin is not that so he hasn't delivered, but that's not to say hes not a great Dman that will be one of the best for years to come.

 

[Kcb12345]

It's not like Heiskanen is getting destroyed. His QoC is 60th among defensemen. I also wouldn't exactly call Dahlin sheltered.

Heiskanen faces marginally harder competition and is demonstratively inferior at driving play.

It's amazing that Heiskanen is playing very solid hockey at 19 but Dahlin is dominating at 18.

How is he dominating?

 

[Kcb12345]

Just wait until he starts burying this opportunities...gonna have quite the highlight reel

 

[Machinehead]

How is he dominating?

He drives shot differential and goal differential in a significant way. The Sabres are simply a much better team when he's on the ice.

 

[MrThomas]

Next year we can look how Dahlin is looking and compare to this year finish flash. Sure both are rookies but he is one year older. it will in the end look like risto being compared to EK like he did after his first Season. Where is risto now? ha ha ha. Go to sleep, at the end of the day heisk would be honored to open the door for dahlin.

The worst arguments I have ever heard

 

[Ace]

37 more games before he turns 19 to move up the list

 

[Boxscore]

37 more games before he turns 19 to move up the list

He should finished 2nd, behind Housley. Unless he catches fire and has a couple of 3 assist games.

 

[wetcoast]

He was advertised as a generational player and so far he hasn’t lived up to the hype

Ekblad won the Calder. Dahlia won’t even win that.

He will probably be 2nd and could even win it if EP40 misses too much time.

That being said his rookie season so far is quite a bit better than Ekblad's rookie season was.

Ekblad was playing sheltered minutes with Brian Campbell as his partner, Dahlin is playing very well right now.

 

[Boxscore]

Phenomenal instincts. I’m gonna say multiple Norris’s. Contending as early as 2019/2020.

Floor - Bourque

(and if there is one,)
Ceiling - Orr

Let's not get carried away. Ray Bourque is a Top-20 player in NHL history who has a handful of Norris trophies and insane points. Nobody's "floor" is Raymond Bourque lol.

 

[Absolut]

Let's not get carried away. Ray Bourque is a Top-20 player in NHL history who has a handful of Norris trophies and insane points. Nobody's "floor" is Raymond Bourque lol.

Exactly. Floor Bourque??? LOL

 

[GellMann]

Next year we can look how Dahlin is looking and compare to this year finish flash. Sure both are rookies but he is one year older. it will in the end look like risto being compared to EK like he did after his first Season. Where is risto now? ha ha ha. Go to sleep, at the end of the day heisk would be honored to open the door for dahlin.

You're thinking of Myers.

 

[Boxscore]

Exactly. Floor Bourque??? LOL

IMO, Dahlin's floor is OEL and ceiling is Lidstrom. And that's a pretty wide gap, so if he ends up in between, he could be similar to Hedman or Doughty, which would make him one of the best - or perhaps the best - defenseman of his era. He likely won't touch Lidstrom, mainly due to the team Lidstrom was surrounded by. And nobody will come close to Orr. Bourque - highly unlikely, just like Lidstrom.

Lidstrom and Bourque are the two best defensemen over the last 40 years. I think it's unfair to compare Dahlin (at 18) to either of them.

 

[JFG]

It’s not like Heiskanen > Dahlin is a given. They have literally been neck and neck with the lead fluctuating between them all season. But I guess Finns on HFBoards gotta Finn on HfBoards.

 

[Boxscore]

It’s not like Heiskanen > Dahlin is a given. They have literally been neck and neck with the lead fluctuating between them all season. But I guess Finns on HFBoards gotta Finn on HfBoards.

Personally, I like the Sabres a lot better than the Stars, and Dahlin is one of my favorite young players in the league. That said, there's been some games this season where Heiskanen was clearly better than Dahlin, if we're just being honest. That said, the true judge will be next year and beyond, as Heiskanen has a year of development on Dahlin.

Dahlin has 24 points compared to Heiskanen's 20, but Miro has more goals and has looked a tad more dynamic at times.

I'd still build my team around Dahlin, without question, because I think his ceiling is a bit higher... but both are studs and will be all-stars for years to come.

 

[Kcb12345]

Personally, I like the Sabres a lot better than the Stars, and Dahlin is one of my favorite young players in the league. That said, there's been some games this season where Heiskanen was clearly better than Dahlin, if we're just being honest. That said, the true judge will be next year and beyond, as Heiskanen has a year of development on Dahlin.

Dahlin has 24 points compared to Heiskanen's 20, but Miro has more goals and has looked a tad more dynamic at times.

I'd still build my team around Dahlin, without question, because I think his ceiling is a bit higher... but both are studs and will be all-stars for years to come.

This is a very fair and accurate view here on the 2 players. Wish we could just end the debate with this