Rantanen vs Laine

[Mighty Makar]

Call me a homer, but I’m voting Rantanen here.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

You mean his rookie season where he scored 20 goals on the worst team in the cap era? Do you ever watch the players or just the stats?

-uses a stat
-proceeds to imply that stats aren’t an effective argument

 

[Binister]

Sure, his corsi dropped by over 10% away from Nate last year while Nate didn’t drop much away from rants. And rants 16-17 season overall looks pretty terrible.

Riiight... Great analytics.

Ever watched him actually play?

 

[VoluntaryDom]

I think most people here know my opinion on Laine Yet I still vote him here

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Riiight... Great analytics.

If you want me to go into specifics I can

Edit: you edited your post. Yes I have watched Rantanen play.

 

[Binister]

If you want me to go into specifics I can

I don't. Just tells me that you haven't watched him play.

 

[Balthazar]

-uses a stat
-proceeds to imply that stats aren’t an effective argument

I think I got my answer right here.

Go look at the AVS stats that year since you like stats this much. Such as number of goals scored by Colorado compared to the rest of the league. The fact that Rantanen managed to score 20 goals that year as a rookie was nothing short of phenomenal. You called that "pretty terrible".

 

[RandomAvsFan]

You mean his rookie season where he scored 20 goals on the worst team in the cap era? Do you ever watch the players or just the stats?

Obviously just stats. I knew his response would be some BS analytics when he said Rantanen doesn't even have a dimension.

Yes advanced stats can be helpful, but when it is literally the only thing you pay attention to it can skew your analysis of players a little bit.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

I think I got my answer right here.

Go look at the AVS stats that year since you like stats this much. Such as number of goals scored by Colorado compared to the rest of the league. The fact that Rantanen managed to score 20 goals that year as a rookie was nothing short of phenomenal. You called that "pretty terrible".

He shot over 15%. In addition, he was literally in the 2nd percentile of limiting xga/60. -5.4 rel xGF% despite playing on a piss-poor team. He was in the 7th percentile in the league in xGF%.

 

[BB88]

Laine has the higher ceiling but right now Rants is easily the better player.

 

[Neutral Hockey Fan]

Rantanen had as many points last night as laine has all season long

 

[cgf]

Mikko cause I’m a homer and I don’t think laine is on a higher level. He’s a better sniper, though Mikko will have plenty of 40 goal seasons, but Mikko is a more dynamic playmaker with the better defensive instincts.

...albeit he has let his D dip a little playing next to Landeskog for the past year, as Landy lets MacK n Mikko focus more on creating by carrying a heavier burden for that line defensively.

Or more eloquently put, this:

I'll keep my fatassed Bambi.

 

[tucker3434]

Probably Laine in the end but I’m pretty happy there’s an argument.

 

[The Abusement Park]

At least Laine has a dimension

Lol what?

What a laughable take.

 

[The Abusement Park]

-uses a stat
-proceeds to imply that stats aren’t an effective argument

I mean he’s put up points at a high level everywhere he’s played.

 

[Flair Hay]

Rantanen if Laine keeps being a floater and lazy.

Pretty much

 

[Spilot23]

I mean he’s put up points at a high level everywhere he’s played.

That's the guy who will say that Rantanen is way overrated but will put Brayden Point as a top 10 C please I wonder which analytics/stats he has to justify that lmao.

 

[The Abusement Park]

That's the guy who will say that Rantanen is way overrated but will put Brayden Point as a top 10 C please I wonder which analytics/stats he has to justify that lmao.

Trevor van Riemsdyk is a #3D if you didn’t know.

 

[Backcheckmonster3]

Last year Rantanen was an above average playmaker but bottom tier at individual chance generation. He was a below average possession guy but good relative to his team since the avalanche were a bad possession team. However his possession metrics tank away from MacKinnon. In addition to that he put up putrid defensive results in 16-17, and not exactly good ones in 17-18 either. Rantanen is not a star player, he is a guy who is making a living playing next to a stud in Nathan MacKinnon.

Is this how you want to be remembered?

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Is this how you want to be remembered?

He’s 21 so he could become a star, but he isn’t one right now

 

[Backcheckmonster3]

He’s 21 so he could become a star, but he isn’t one right now

Why does it bother you that he quiet clearly is?

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Knock it off.

 

[34]

Laine AINEC.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

He’s 21 so he could become a star, but he isn’t one right now

84 points at 20 years old doesn't make you a star player?


Good lord you are insufferable.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Laine once he develops a proper work ethic

There have been many insanely talented players not stick in the NHL because they never could put the effort before their skill.