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  1. Buffaloed

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    Rant of the day

    Post your rant about the players, owners, lockout, media personalities, etc here.

    This is your thread to vent. No need to start a new one everytime you need to get something off your chest. :D
     
  2. Hockey_Nut99

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    The players are acting like a bunch of clowns!!!!
     
  3. Lobstertainment

    Lobstertainment Oh no, my brains.

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    Buffaloed's avatar scares me :bonk:
     
  4. mr gib

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    gary bettman's track record - expansion, two ref's, moving the net's, etc, - has not been good - i just can't trust him on this cap issue - could ruin the game forever -
     
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    The small markets will only be able to compete if cost certainty is ensured.
     
  6. Slats432

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    I like peanut butter. I do not like marmalade though.

    Oh...right...and as someone who wants cost certainty in some form, I think both sides are a bunch of morons whose egos are wrecking the game. I would like to see both removed when this thing is over.
     
  7. sakicisstupid

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    The owners have decided from day 1 to lockout the entire season. I feel insulted. The players, on the other hand, should realize a hard cap isn't such a bad thing. They can still make their money, especially if they demand significant revenue sharing (thus allowing the small markets to dish out the cash), lower UFA, among other things in return for giving in to the cap. Both sides still have room to compromise as they're both very inflexible at this point. However, the owners are ultimately responsible because they caused their own economic "hardship" and want the players to fix it entirely on their own. The owners have forgot that the players are the product.
     
  8. Toonces

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    Ego's are ruining this game. I am angry...

    Damn you Bettman!

    Damn you Goodenow!

    Get a deal done!

    Hockey will be lost soon as a major sport down here. I know alot of people don't care about hockey in the United States, but some of us do care, and always will. I want my kids (when I have some) to play hockey, and not have to ship them north to find a good program. I want the game to catch on like gangbusters down here, because hockey is the greatest game God ever gave Man.

    I don't want it to be a niche sport. I'm tired of people asking me when the hockey season starts. I'm sad to see less people at the rinks this year.

    I could go on and on...

    I'll spare you folks my rant for now.
     
  9. Motown Beatdown

    Motown Beatdown Need a slump buster

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    Something tells me nothing will ever work. Small market fans complain about the fact that they lose their best players under the current(well, not current really) system. Big market fans complain about the fact that they can't get the best players under the new(well, not new yet) system. The players can't accept being capped at only making millions/hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. The owners can't trust one another because there will always be that one owner that screws everything up, and creates the absolute mess that the NHL finds itself in today.

    I have a plan. Let's get all the players together before the season starts. You group the forwards together, the defensemen together, and the goalies together. You throw their sticks in the middle of the rink, blindfold someone to pick the sticks out, and toss them on either side. You get 30 piles of sticks, and whoever is on the team is on the team. Then you do it all over again next year. Luck of the draw. Sidney Crosby comes along, chuck his stick in the pile too.

    I remember when sports were a game. Only it was when I was 8, and some friends and I would play. Now it's just as big a headache as anything else on this planet.

    Billion dollar business, and neither side can figure out how to make everyone happy. Good job!
     
  11. nyr7andcounting

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    Fire Sather.
     
  12. txomisc

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    basketball is an annoying sport fill with thugs and a me first attitude!
     
  13. Ice Cream Man

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    I just want to hear an intelligent repsonse - wait, just A response wil suffice - as to WHY these clowns will not accept a cap!

    AND...

    ... I want to hear WHY making an average salary of $1.3 mill, without any kind of post-secondary education - is such a bad salary to take. Some of the most educated minds on the globe don't nearly make that amount.

    AND...

    ... that if the players want a free-market system, one where they get paid what they're worth, then the union needs to be abandoned. You CANNOT have a purely free-market system WITH a union. It just does not work that way.

    I'm thinking of more...
     
  14. Ice Cream Man

    Ice Cream Man $1 Oysters

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    OH!

    And having a salary cap does not mean that you, as a player, can't make $10 mill a season...

    .... just play like you damn well deserve it!

    You want to get paid what you're worth, right? Then PLAY, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, like you deserve every penny you ask for!

    These players are always wanting more for less, but using their logic of a market-based system, then this is simply the pot calling the kettle black!

    I'm done. Thanks for your time.
     
  15. djhn579

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    I want to know why some people keep saying that the players deserve to be paid as much as they want because they are such a scarce commodity. If the NHL players are such a scarce commodity, they should be absolutely dominating these other leagues that they are playing in, yet I haven't heard nothing about that happening.

    Does that mean that there are a lot more decent hockey players out there that are not playing in the NHL?

    Does this mean that the NHL has not over expanded as some other people think and that all the clutching and grabbing is more responcible for the boring hockey games we seen in recent years?
     
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    The 30 owners have decided that the template that suits them both financially and competitively is the 32/38 model and they are telling the players they can join or not. It's business and the players are going through the emotional process of coming to grips with the fact the world has changed on them. I don't think it's so hard to understand that it might take a little while for the players to lick their wounds and come to the realization that their skills are now worth 50 cents on the dollar.

    That's what the last 24 hours have showed me. Despite all the talk, and the clear outlines from the NHL, the players somehow believed Santa dad wouldn't shoot all the reindeer and kill Christmas.

    Bambi's dead, there's no food in the cupboard and baby needs new shoes.

    Have a drink son, and then pick up the phone.
     
  17. SneakerPimp82

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    and hockey players are angels sent from heaven who would surely never put themselves before the common hockey fan, especially when the common hockey fan makes barely 1/50th of what the average hockey player makes. Yea, thuggery and me first attitude. Please. I'm sure I can find just as many thugs in hockey as in basketball.
     
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    I really love the NHL and all, but its obvious that its going to be a long time before they play again... just stinks.
     
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    Also... the Sens suck. They do. They talk like theyve won the Cup 11 times before or something.. I guess its just the Leafs' mission on earth to put them in their place...

    Year.... after Year.... after Year.... after Year... after Year.

    ...

    See you Ottawa fans in the playoffs (whenever the league starts up again) :)
     
  20. Brent Burns Beard

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    becuase its their right to not accept a cap.

    AND...

    Only *some* of the most educated dont make that much ? id say almost exclusivly, none of the best educated people make that much. education though has little to do with the dynamics that have created these salaries.

    AND...

    the owners are the ones who need the players to stay within a union. as brian burke has said, without the union, many of the NHL policies would be illegal.

    how exciting !

    dr
     
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    highly doubt it
     
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    So there is no NHL hockey and the players, the owners and esp. the people whose livelihood are tied to NHL are suffering because the players' want to exercise their right to "not accept a cap"??!???!!!??

    Whooo boooy!!!! I was wrong. Players are NOT stupid. Since they have sooo much money, they just want to toy with all the 'poorer' people to see what they would do if they decided not to work...
     
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    Thanks for the intelligent insight. It's also a right to accept a cap, what's your point? I'm looking for in-depth explanation as to why they won't accept one - not easy answers like yours. You must be pro-union, because you sure sound like one.

    I think you're looking to hard into my statement. The fact that you made where I said 'some' as the basis of your argument is of poor quality. Rise above that level. I was making a more important point, which you couldn't see.

    And I do agree that 'education' has little to do with the dynamics of how the rising salaries were created. But, that's not what I'm arguing at all - that's what you seemed to have put in my mouth.

    And in terms if being 'educated', I do beleive that some of these players need to be a little more enlightened on the fields of economics/finance/market systems before opening their traps. They just spew what Bob Goodenow puts in their mouths to no end. If you can't see that you're delusional, friend.


    I don't disargree with this; what I'm saying is that if the players want a free-market system, then give up the union. Let them get paid what they're worth. I'm not talking about the NHL, but for some reason you seem to (again) put words in my mouth.
     
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    We are old and will not go any further but we will beat Ottawa! :shakehead
     
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    Answer to meaning of life, the universe and everything? 42.

    Solution to CBA? Hopelessly, impossibly complicated.

    My new hot idea for day is:Individual Player salaries must fall between half a million anually and 4 million. Performance bonuses of up to a million dollars may be tacked on. At least all the really big contracts will be gone. :propeller
     
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