Ranking the MVP Seasons Since 2000 (#4)

[Brando]

1.	Alex Ovechkin		2008
2.	Joe Sakic		2001
3.	Evgeni Malkin		2012

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[Voight]

2016 Kane outscored a prime/27 year old Crosby by 17 points and came in 4 goals behind Ovy for the goal scoring lead. Won the Hart in a landslide and had a 19 game point streak. Just absolute dominance that year.

 

[Brucelenok]

Kucherov 2019 pretty clearly. 128 points is 128 points

 

[Stewie Griffin]

2006 Joe Thornton had 125 points (96 assists) after being traded mid season.

 

[Krewe]

Who keeps voting for Crosby '07? Theres at least a few more I would vote before that season. Less than 50% of Crosby's points that season came from 5v5

 

[JoVel]

2016 Kane outscored a prime/27 year old Crosby by 17 points and came in 4 goals behind Ovy for the goal scoring lead. Won the Hart in a landslide and had a 19 game point streak. Just absolute dominance that year.

I think people overrate the importance of the gap to the 2nd place player. Had Connor McDavid been born literally one year earlier he most likely would've had ~100 points that season. Would that diminish Kane's accomplishments? Of course not. Some players just get tougher competition than others and people should look deeper into that.

 

[HarryLime]

Forsberg in 03 for me

 

[Voight]

I think people overrate the importance of the gap to the 2nd place player. Had Connor McDavid been born literally one year earlier he most likely would've had ~100 points that season. Would that diminish Kane's accomplishments? Of course not. Some players just get tougher competition than others and people should look deeper into that.

It shows how far ahead you are relative to your peers.

As for tougher competition - all of Kanes peers except Malkin were healthy that year. He was also the only player to hit 100 points and nobody else came close to 100.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Kucherov, Kane and OV 09 should be the next 3 in some order.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Who keeps voting for Crosby '07? Theres at least a few more I would vote before that season. Less than 50% of Crosby's points that season came from 5v5

Crosby himself has a better season than 07 on the list (14).

 

[Krewe]

Crosby himself has a better season than 07 on the list (14).

I know its weird. Hell, Crosby was way better last year (18-19) than he was in 06-07

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Kane absolutely smoked the competition in 2016 and scoring hadn’t gone up yet.

 

[Regal]

It shows how far ahead you are relative to your peers.

As for tougher competition - all of Kanes peers except Malkin were healthy that year. He was also the only player to hit 100 points and nobody else came close to 100.

It's not always health though. There was a definite lull at the top for competition outside for a couple years from around 13-14 to 16-17 outside of Crosby, Kane and McDavid's Art Ross seasons.

 

[Regal]

I know its weird. Hell, Crosby was way better last year (18-19) than he was in 06-07

I wouldn't say much better. Crosby's '07 was a bit inflated by PP secondaries, but his 5v5 scoring was limited by lower ice time due to the PPOs. He only played 14:41 per game at ES, so he was still over 3 P/60 at ES.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

2016 Kane outscored a prime/27 year old Crosby by 17 points and came in 4 goals behind Ovy for the goal scoring lead. Won the Hart in a landslide and had a 19 game point streak. Just absolute dominance that year.

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[bobholly39]

Who keeps voting for Crosby '07? Theres at least a few more I would vote before that season. Less than 50% of Crosby's points that season came from 5v5

5v5 scoring is overrated. A point is a point - that's all that counts.

There may be some merit in saying 5v5 scoring is generally more prone to be consistent year to year as power play opportunities can fluctuate - but that really only matters when trying to predict future seasons. For a season that a;ready happened - 120 points is 120 points, whether they're all power play points, all 5v5 points, or some other breakdown.

I do think Kucherov's season was better - but probably have Crosby next

 

[Brucelenok]

Lol at ppl voting at Croaby '07. Just shows how biassed this board is towards him. Honestly, he becomes more and more overrated ( Top 5 players of all time etc.) It wasn't even the guy's best season lol, let alone vs other players. After Kuch, It should be Ovy 09 pretty easily. Crosby '10 and '14 were better than '07

 

[Stuzchuk]

I went with Kucherow, he was on his own that entire year...
But I still remember how dominant Pronger was in 1999-2000. For a defenseman to win HART means that he was in an other time zone

 

[Regal]

I went with Kucherow, he was on his own that entire year...
But I still remember how dominant Pronger was in 1999-2000. For a defenseman to win HART means that he was in an other time zone

Is this sarcasm?

 

[Dr Salt]

5v5 scoring is overrated. A point is a point - that's all that counts.

There may be some merit in saying 5v5 scoring is generally more prone to be consistent year to year as power play opportunities can fluctuate - but that really only matters when trying to predict future seasons. For a season that a;ready happened - 120 points is 120 points, whether they're all power play points, all 5v5 points, or some other breakdown.

I do think Kucherov's season was better - but probably have Crosby next

How so? 5v5 tends to be more reflective of impact since a good power-play or not has a lot more to do with coaching and system than 5v5 play.

 

[Joey Moss]

There are people who believe that Draisaitl shouldn’t win the Hart this year. Then there’s also people who vote Kucherov’s Hart year as 4th most impressive since 2000. They had nearly identical years.

Funny how that works.

 

[bobholly39]

How so? 5v5 tends to be more reflective of impact since a good power-play or not has a lot more to do with coaching and system than 5v5 play.

I'm not sure i understand your question. How so? It seems obvious - a point is a point. It's as important and valuable whether scored on power play, 5v5 or pk.

 

[bobholly39]

There are people who believe that Draisaitl shouldn’t win the Hart this year. Then there’s also people who vote Kucherov’s Hart year as 4th most impressive since 2000. They had nearly identical years.

Funny how that works.

Or, you know, "people" isn't one same person, and made up of people full of different opinions.
Kucherov got just as much flack as Drai if not more last year. "it's all in the team, etc".

Both had great seasons, both will end up with a hart/ross/lindsay combo, and both are fully deserving. Both will also continue to have critics

 

[Dr Salt]

I'm not sure i understand your question. How so? It seems obvious - a point is a point. It's as important and valuable whether scored on power play, 5v5 or pk.

Okay but that is a team reward, whereas there is more value to what a player does iin 5v5 vs coaching. You did nothing to address anything I said.