Prospect Info: Rank the Stars Prospects

[Kcb12345]

Don't have to rank all of them, who is in your top 10? 20? Ranked by position?

Some of these guys are already looking like career AHLers so I debated on including them or not, but figured why not make it comprehensive.

Lemme know if I forgot anyone

Stars prospects list:

Thomas Harley
Mavrik Bourque
Riley Damiani
Logan Stankoven
Wyatt Johnston
Artem Grushnikov
Aryton Martino
Antonio Stranges
Yevgeni Oksentyuk
Jacob Peterson
Fredrick Karlström
Remi Poirier
Samuel Sjölund
Daniel Ljungman
Adam Mascherin
Albin Eriksson
Oskar Back
Riley Tufte
Joseph Cecconi
Ben Brinkman
Colton Point
Ben Gleason
Dawson Barteaux
Jack Bar
Jacob Holmes
Francesco Arcuri
Justin Ertel
Connor Roulette
Albert Sjöberg
Jordan Kawaguchi
Tye Felhaber
Ryan Shea
Adam Scheel

Not included/graduated:
Jason Robertson
Jake Oettinger
Rhett Gardner
Joel L'Esperance
Nick Caamano
Ty Dellandrea

Not signed:
Nick Porco

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[M88K]

Riley Tufte
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Everyone else
Clearly

 

[Zapp]

Ranked on their ceiling? Or probability to make the show?

Oskar Bäck should be higher if it’s probability of making it

 

[BG44]

Ranked on their ceiling? Or probability to make the show?

Oskar Bäck should be higher if it’s probability of making it

I love prospect rankings. I hate trying to figure out how you're supposed to compare a guy who is a virtual lock for the NHL on the 4th line to a supremely fun prospect like Stranges. It's almost like they don't belong on the same list.

 

[Kcb12345]

Ranked on their ceiling? Or probability to make the show?

Oskar Bäck should be higher if it’s probability of making it

I love prospect rankings. I hate trying to figure out how you're supposed to compare a guy who is a virtual lock for the NHL on the 4th line to a supremely fun prospect like Stranges. It's almost like they don't belong on the same list.

Rank based on who you feel is a more valuable prospect. Potential, likelihood of being an impact player for the Stars in the future

 

[BG44]

Riley Tufte
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Everyone else
Clearly

Herein lies the problem. Miserable 1st round pick. You're never going to get an argument from me.

Starting to look like a lock for a defensive forward/ PK specialist, and his athleticism and size makes him a pretty interesting player for that type. They're typically not as athletic as him. He could really fill that role well and help a team win.

I don't think it's a stretch to say he could easily play himself into the short-list of early call-ups during camp.

 

[BG44]

Rank based on who you feel is a more valuable prospect

I promise I'm trying to be a pain.

That's still very vague.

Gourde, Coleman, and Goodrow were extremely valuable to TB. Big part of their success. Gourde, at least IMO, and I think most but I could be wrong, is the best of the 3 overall, but I could see the argument for Coleman being 1B on that line. Goodrow is the more replaceable of the 2.

Could Tufte be a Goodrow-type? That's probably the high-end.

I really have a hard time gauging where that falls on a list compared to lets say Oksentyuk this time. Top 6 or bust. He could be extremely valuable. He could be in Europe in 2 or 3 years.

 

[Kcb12345]

I promise I'm trying to be a pain.

That's still very vague.

Gourde, Coleman, and Goodrow were extremely valuable to TB. Big part of their success. Gourde, at least IMO, and I think most but I could be wrong, is the best of the 3 overall, but I could see the argument for Coleman being 1B on that line. Goodrow is the more replaceable of the 2.

Could Tufte be a Goodrow-type? That's probably the high-end.

I really have a hard time gauging where that falls on a list compared to lets say Oksentyuk this time. Top 6 or bust. He could be extremely valuable. He could be in Europe in 2 or 3 years.

I'm just asking for a ranking based on your opinion. Do you think Oksentyuk will be a top 6 player? Then he'd be pretty high. If you aren't high on him and think he's gonna be a failure, then he'd be pretty low. That's how I'm looking at it. So I'm seeking personal opinions here

 

[Zapp]

I love prospect rankings. I hate trying to figure out how you're supposed to compare a guy who is a virtual lock for the NHL on the 4th line to a supremely fun prospect like Stranges. It's almost like they don't belong on the same list.

Same. I think the draft is the most fun we all have outside of being in the playoffs.


Stranges is hard to evaluate.

Remember Hunter Shinkaruk? He used his skating to dominate the WHL. Was pretty hyped by Vancouver and after only playing 1 game with the Nucks was moved to Calgary. Got himself 2 goals in 7 games in Calgary but was a huge defensive liability. Goes to play next year and lasts another 7 games and then he never gets called up again. Proceeded to decay in the AHL before completely collapsing in Laval. He’s in China now lol.

Stranges already found out he can’t use skating as his main asset in the AHL. If he doesn’t develop another strong skill to compliment his skating, he’s going to find himself on the same path.


FWIW, I’m more encouraged by Stranges willingness to adapt than Shinkaruk showed back in the day.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

1) Thomas Harley
2) Mavrik Bourque
3) Riley Damiani
4) Logan Stankoven
5) Wyatt Johnston
6) Jacob Peterson
7) Adam Mascherin
8) Oskar Back
9) Fredrick Karlstrom
10) Yevgeni Oksentyuk
11) Artem Grushnikov
12) Jordan Kawaguchi
13) Daniel Ljungman
14) Ben Gleason
15) Adam Scheel
16) Antonio Stranges
17) Riley Tufte
18) Ryan Shea
19) Joseph Cecconi
20) Aryton Martino

Something like that.

 

[Captain Awesome]

Been a while since I've been here ,but don't we usually do this by daily votes in a poll to come up with an HF list?

 

[LT]

Been a while since I've been here ,but don't we usually do this by daily votes in a poll to come up with an HF list?

Yea we’ll do that a bit later in the offseason when there’s nothing else to do

 

[BfantZ]

Harley
Peterson
Stankoven
Bourque
Damiani
Mascherin
Scheel
Martino
Johnston
Grushnikov
Ljungman
Roulette
Stranges
Karlstrom
Back
Tufte
Felhaber
Cecconi
Bar
Shea
Sjoland
Arcuri
Holmes
Poirier
Ertel
Point
Gleason
Oksentyuk
Kawaguchi
Barteaux
Eriksson
Brinkman

 

[Captain Awesome]

Can you guys tell me about Peterson? I'm seeing him pretty high in some of the lists, but hardly ever hear anyone talk about him.

 

[BfantZ]

Can you guys tell me about Peterson? I'm seeing him pretty high in some of the lists, but hardly ever hear anyone talk about him.

One of the top players on his shl team . Good skater with good hands and decent size . Reminds me alot of hintz . Think the stars got a real diamond in the rough with that pick .

 

[Ghost of Kyiv]

I was hoping for a middle six left winger out of Peterson.

Slightly better version of Kiviranta. Or a Janmark level player (with a little better shot but a little slower top speed). I'd love for more, but the physical tools are more decent than they are high end I thought?

 

[BfantZ]

I was hoping for a middle six left winger out of Peterson.

Slightly better version of Kiviranta. Or a Janmark level player (with a little better shot but a little slower top speed). I'd love for more, but the physical tools are more decent than they are high end I thought?

I would say all the tools are there to be a top 6 fwd . This season will tell us a lot though .

 

[MrHeiskanen]

I would say all the tools are there to be a top 6 fwd . This season will tell us a lot though .

I think he might be a slow adjuster to the NA game, but will get there.

 

[Ghost of Kyiv]

1) Thomas Harley

2) Mavrik Bourque
3) Riley Damiani
4) Logan Stankoven

5) Wyatt Johnston
6) Jacob Peterson
7) Ayrton Martino
8)Artem Grushnikov

9) Daniel Ljungman
10) Adam Mascherin

I quit, very wide open. Could've went a dozen different directions with 9 and 10

 

[David Castillo]

Logan Stankoven
Thomas Harley

Easy first tier. I think Stanky Leg's raw impact will be bigger than Harley's if he reaches his ceiling. Stank's experience playing center is a big deal to how much ice he can cover, so you're probably talking about a top six winger at his best. Brilliant hands, deceptive movement. Really high on this kid. Only reason I have Harley below Stank is because I'm not sure Harley becomes a top four fixture. I suspect DAL will want a veteran option for Miro, and try to keep Lindell-Klingberg intact (?).

Wyatt Johnston
Mavrik Bourque
Riley Damiani

Recency bias? Maybe. Unlike Dellandrea or Damiani, Johnston just has a higher IQ, in my opinion: he's the Blade to their suckheads - all their strengths, none of their weaknesses. The patience and purpose of Damiani, but with the raw physical tools that Dellandrea has (still don't agree with the pick with players like Lysell and Cuelemans on board, but that's neither here nor there). Bourque has the higher ceiling, but I'd argue that Johnston is more likely to develop his game further. And Damiani is just your meat and poatoes middle six forward who can do it all. Solid group.

Artem Grushnikov
Ayrton Martino
Fredrick Karlstrom
Jacob Peterson
Adam Mascherin

It's not the 2017 draft, but 2021 will end up coming close. I feel like smooth skating shutdown d-men with a good first pass are blindposts in the era of the puck mover, and Grushnikov is definitely that. Martino is really really good. Anytime Scouching has a video dedicated to a player, I listen. Karlstrom is the dark horse of the group. Eerily similar production to Hintz with the decent regular season totals > playoff warrior god. Similar profile too: long stride, lowkey creativity, quick but accurate hands in tight.

 

[Captain Awesome]

Wyatt Johnston
Mavrik Bourque
Riley Damiani

Recency bias? Maybe. Unlike Dellandrea or Damiani, Johnston just has a higher IQ, in my opinion: he's the Blade to their suckheads - all their strengths, none of their weaknesses.

So would you say that Wyatt Johnston has a disdain for motherf***ers who try to iceskate uphill?

 

[BrettHullsToe]

Some dude used math to say the Stars have a middling prospect pool, which ain't bad for a team that hasn't been tanking. (No idea who the dude is or how he does his math)

 

[Captain Awesome]

I wanted to go to his website to get more info, but it costs money. It's only $25CAD, but I don't play any sort of fantasy hockey with keepers, so I'm not interested in knowing who the best prospects in the NHL are based on his analytics.

I was just trying to figure out what the headers at the top really mean? They're a little weird, but If I'm reading correctly, he thinks we have a good shot at some fairly high-end players with a 10% stars rank of 4. I'm just trying to figure out if we have the 4th best pool of guys who have a 10% chance of being stars, or if we have the 4th best pool of guys who are going to end up in the top 10% of NHLers.

 

[BrettHullsToe]

I wanted to go to his website to get more info, but it costs money. It's only $25CAD, but I don't play any sort of fantasy hockey with keepers, so I'm not interested in knowing who the best prospects in the NHL are based on his analytics.

I was just trying to figure out what the headers at the top really mean? They're a little weird, but If I'm reading correctly, he thinks we have a good shot at some fairly high-end players with a 10% stars rank of 4. I'm just trying to figure out if we have the 4th best pool of guys who have a 10% chance of being stars, or if we have the 4th best pool of guys who are going to end up in the top 10% of NHLers.

Not sure if you clicked on the tweet and read through his whole thread, but at the bottom is this one:



So, your first guess was correct.

 

[Captain Awesome]

Not sure if you clicked on the tweet and read through his whole thread, but at the bottom is this one:



So, your first guess was correct.

So the sad thing is I actually did click through, I even read the snippet about the Stars and scrolled all the way down to the bottom of the chain. What I did not see is that followup tweet below all of those tweets.

Edit: I just noticed we are in a 7 way tie for 4th place in the one category we're above average at. Which makes me feel like it lacks nuance as a category, also that it's not as exciting as I would have thought from casually glancing at this chart. Also, Oettinger and Robertson both qualify for this list, so if I had to guess, Robertson is why we are even considered average here, and without him I'm sure our ranking would go well down.