Rank the divisions

notDatsyuk

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On a very casual count based on this week's posts:

Div 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
East 14 - 4 - 1 - 0
North 0 - 6 - 3 - 9
Cent 4 - 6 - 4 - 2
West 0 - 5 - 5 - 8

I know the numbers don't add up.
 

Canadienna

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In a recent Athletic article, an anonymous player had this to say in reference to the Canadian Division:

"Guess what? I don’t think any of the teams in the Canadian division are good. Any of them. They have no defense. How the f*** can they win the Stanley Cup when they play no defense?… "

Didn't know where to post it so I just bumped this thread - it's where most of the North division bashing went.
 

teoberto

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Taking a quantitative approach, 6 of the top 9 teams in overall standings (it matters, as it decides the draft position) are coming from the West and the Central, 2 from the East and only Toronto from the North. The best 2 teams are from the West. Consequently:
West
Central
East
North
 
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notDatsyuk

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Taking a quantitative approach, 6 of the top 9 teams in overall standings (it matters, as it decides the draft position) are coming from the West and the Central, 2 from the East and only Toronto from the North. The best 2 teams are from the West. Consequently:
West
Central
East
North
Cutting off at nine is interesting. Any particular reason?

Since there are four divisions, wouldn't 12 or 16 make more sense?

In the top 12, 4 are from the East, 3 each from the West and Central, and 2 from the North.

In the top 16 (the number of teams that make the playoffs), 6 are from the East, 4 from the Central, 3 from the West, and 3 from the North.

So the obvious order is:
East
Central
West
North
 

Dust

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You can't really look at the total points of teams and rank them that way this year. There is only a finite amount of points to be handed out within each division. If there's a couple of teams with high point totals (Vegas, Colorado, Minny), it means there's obviously a major lack of points at the bottom of the same division.

While I still think the West is the worst division because of how bad the bottom of the division is, we're all guessing here. Do you put more weight on the good teams in a division, or the bad teams? Is a division better because it has a team like Colorado, or is it worse because it has a team like Anaheim? The million dollar question.
 

Zybalto

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What worked out well was actually how balanced the divisions turned out to be thanks to pure luck basically. 5 years ago, things would have been far more difficult to figure out geographically.
 

Fourier

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In a recent Athletic article, an anonymous player had this to say in reference to the Canadian Division:

"Guess what? I don’t think any of the teams in the Canadian division are good. Any of them. They have no defense. How the f*** can they win the Stanley Cup when they play no defense?… "

Didn't know where to post it so I just bumped this thread - it's where most of the North division bashing went.
Very similar things were said about the Oilers in the early 80's.
 
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Sidney the Kidney

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Cutting off at nine is interesting. Any particular reason?

Since there are four divisions, wouldn't 12 or 16 make more sense?

In the top 12, 4 are from the East, 3 each from the West and Central, and 2 from the North.

In the top 16 (the number of teams that make the playoffs), 6 are from the East, 4 from the Central, 3 from the West, and 3 from the North.

So the obvious order is:
East
Central
West
North

This is exactly how it should be looked at. "Best division" isn't just the division with the best top team or best top two teams. It's the division that has the most number of "good" teams.

The fact that Boston and the Isles are the #3/4 seed in the East speaks volumes for how deep that division is, and the fact the Rangers and Flyers have more points than pretty much most/all non-playoff teams in the other divisions just adds to that.
 

keglu

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I would say
Islanders>Blues>Predators>Canadiens
Rangers>Stars>Flames>Coyotes

To summarize East>Central>West>North in terms of difficulty of making playoffs.
 

TeamRenzo

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Not sure how anyone has the North ahead of the west? Colorado, St. Louis, and Vegas are all better than any of the Canadian teams

Based on what? They haven't played each other this season.

IMO, all divisions are fairly similar - you have 2-3 top teams and then the rest.
 

lamp9post

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You can't really look at the total points of teams and rank them that way this year. There is only a finite amount of points to be handed out within each division. If there's a couple of teams with high point totals (Vegas, Colorado, Minny), it means there's obviously a major lack of points at the bottom of the same division.

While I still think the West is the worst division because of how bad the bottom of the division is, we're all guessing here. Do you put more weight on the good teams in a division, or the bad teams? Is a division better because it has a team like Colorado, or is it worse because it has a team like Anaheim? The million dollar question.

I think you default to the better teams, which is why I rank the West over the North.

If you compare the playoff teams in each division, I think the West's four >> North's four. Montreal is the worst team in the playoffs and Winnipeg might be the second worst. At the top end, I'd take Colorado and Vegas over Toronto and Edmonton. Every division has poor teams at the bottom. Ranking the North above the West because you think Anaheim/LA are worse than Ottawa/Vancouver doesn't make much sense to me.
 

Sinistril

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In a recent Athletic article, an anonymous player had this to say in reference to the Canadian Division:

"Guess what? I don’t think any of the teams in the Canadian division are good. Any of them. They have no defense. How the f*** can they win the Stanley Cup when they play no defense?… "

Didn't know where to post it so I just bumped this thread - it's where most of the North division bashing went.

It's hilarious that players have the same opinion of the North that all non-TML/Oilers fans have
 

notbias

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It's hilarious that players have the same opinion of the North that all non-TML/Oilers fans have

Player, singular.

Also, it is hilarious how Toronto was on pace for over 100pts last season after the coaching change, which would have landed them in 7th, ahead of Pit, Vgk, Car, Dal, they must have ungodly offense if they can make up for having no defense.
 

5 14 6 1

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Taking a quantitative approach, 6 of the top 9 teams in overall standings (it matters, as it decides the draft position) are coming from the West and the Central, 2 from the East and only Toronto from the North. The best 2 teams are from the West. Consequently:
West
Central
East
North

Flawed model here bud. Top teams from one division would imply also worst teams in that division and thus easier to make playoffs.

Flawed metric in this case.
 
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