Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Sabres -- 4/1/21

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  1. Mika Zibanejad

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  2. Pavel Buchnevich

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  3. Chris Kreider

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  4. Ryan Strome

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  5. Artemi Panarin

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  6. Kaapo Kakko

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  7. Filip Chytil

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  8. Julien Gauthier

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  9. Alexis Lafreniere

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  10. Kevin Rooney

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  11. Phil Di Giuseppe

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  12. Colin Blackwell

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  13. Adam Fox

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  14. Ryan Lindgren

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  15. Jacob Trouba

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  16. K'Andre Miller

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  17. Lobor Hajek

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  18. Brendan Smith

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  19. Igor Shestyorkin

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  20. Nolan Ryan

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  1. Pawnee Rangers Registered User

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    Some of these reactions are amazing. Laff is on the third line because he's the 3rd (maybe 4th) best LW on the team, right now. Same for Chytil. Why the hell should he play more than Zib and Strome? Kakko gets more ice time than those two because, shockingly, he's playing better. Especially Laff, he's a monster on the wall, he sticks his nose into the action everytime he's on the ice. He looks like he wants the puck and he wants to be a difference maker. What's so hard for people to grasp? And if Laff and Chytil are mad about their ice, good, let them get mad and come out the next game and prove the coach wrong. I guarantee you that once Laff plays better than the two guys above him, the coach will gladly give him those minutes. The young guys aren't on the PP 1 because they just aren't better than the guys currently on PP 1 (passed up shots aside), the first unit spend the entire PP in the offensive zone.

    I don't know about anyone else, but I'd much rather Laff get 8-10 minutes a night in high pressure, playoff type games, with something on the line than 20 in meaningless, run out the season games. Tomorrow, he'll start the game on the 3rd line again and get an opportunity to prove he deserves more time. Blackwell deserved to be on the ice in OT because he scored a goal and was noticeable. I wish Kakko would have gotten a shift in OT, that's a legit gripe, but they're trying to win a game. We are officially in the f*** Your Feelings portion of the season. They need to win every game and the coach needs to coach like they need to win every game. I want Laff, Chytil, and maybe Kakko angry they didn't get more ice this offseason. Let them get fired up. Go live with Kreider this summer and work your ass off like the other players do and the results will follow.
     
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    How can we NOT give him a benefit of a doubt seeing how Buchnevich turned out, how Chytil looks at 21 and how Kakko progressed from last year???
     
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    I thought it was blatantly obvious. Your sarcasm detector must be broken
     
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    the results with our forwards speak for themselves. And Laf and KK are not just any prospects being stymied. Quinn can preach the 200 foot game and if he feels like these two are not playing it (which they are) he should make sure they are not defending leads late. But to hold Laf to 8 minutes when the team needs him to improve his knowledge and feel of the NHL game so his talents can take over is irresponsible, especially in a year where we are not contending. We have few forwards as bad in our D zone as Blackwell. He gets knocked off the puck, loses it with a poor handle and for some reason has trouble lifting the puck 0ut when he has the chance. He is the forward version of Brendan Smith. Yet, he is getting those key minutes and now OT. This is a bad job by the coach.
     
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    must be
     
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    ok. why are 3rd line minutes so much less than 4th line minutes?
     
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    HF reminder: The rangers are literally the youngest team in the league. That is all.
     
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    And they did execute... on the one shift they got in the 3rd period.

    Some here will jump through hoops and move goal posts to justify the stupidity of this Coach...
     
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    Do you realize you complain after the game the Rangers won in OT, after the game where Blackwell scored and was one of the more dangerous forwards in the lineup???? Amazing
     
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    Kakko was taken second overall and was considered by many as the best player on the board. Are you saying that his development is a function of how Quinn treated him last year? He is playing better but still not scoring because his creativity was hindered by DQ and is squeezing his stick when he should be playing free and picking corners. He is playing well in spite of Quinn.
     
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    Dangerous to which team's chances? he was set up a couple of times and spent the rest of the game fumbling pucks and being useless in his own zone. And since you brought it up his performance in OT was embarrassing to his entire family.
     
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    no they're not, though they do have the least cumulative games played
     
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    Tell me how he played when he arrived here? He was given the top line rw spot right off the bat, he wasn't good, he lost that spot and was moved down a line until he landed in the third spot, he's now worked his way back up. Just because he was drafted at 2 doesn't mean jack, he wasn't a top 6 player until this season whether he was drafted at 2 or 102. Same went for Lafrieniere, he was given a top 6 spot, they moved Kreider and Panarin around to make him comfortable, they really let him stay there even if his play didn't warrant it, he wasn't ready and he still isn't, none of that is on Quinn, he's a young kid who is finding his way. I can take or leave Quinn but people talking about ice time for these kids like it will magically turn them into mcdavid is asinine. The proof is in the pudding, Kakko, Chytil, Buchnevich and Lindgren are all better players than when they arrived, much better, and Laf will be too.
     
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    Any comments on the shit first goal when Gaut very effectively slides into the net with a lose puck in his skates and Laf watches instead of tying the lone Sabres stick? Didn't think so. Great Laf was in the right spot, not great how passive he was. Not a great rebound for Shesterkin, but tie the guy's stick up instead of reaching aimlessly. Or is it ok to let the opposition get 30 free whacks if you're a 1st overall? Laf actually briefly engages but doesn't tie the stick up at all before the goal. We're not a bottom feeder, we can't let shit like this go in a close game. I'm not asking him to cross check the guy into oblivion, but don't be so passive in the dirty areas. Smith needs to do better also, but there's a reason he's our 6th D at this point with TDA gone, we ain't converting him into a top D anymore. Laf has plenty of lessons to learn and time to grow, last night was just one more lesson for him to absorb.

    Kakko has been much improved this year in this regard and it shows in his ice time.

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    been on this site 8 years and this is the first post I ever wanted to bookmark thank you
     
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    Kakko is not our most responsible or best defensive forward. That said he has made significant progress from last year to this—almost like night and day. He’s not a guy I’d want to see out on the penalty kill at this point in time. Maybe next year or the year after. Speaking of ice time Mika and Buch average about 2 and a half minutes of penalty killing time a game. Take that away and Buch is a 16 and a half minute a game player and Mika an 18 minute a game player. Not so unreasonable then.

    On Chytil (and I mentioned this the other day) his AHL game hasn’t caught up with his NHL game yet by which I mean at the AHL level he was a puck distributing center and with the Rangers not so much. He’s more of a shooter and not so much a puck distributor. Like Kakko he’s made strides with his two way game but among the issues with our third line there is not a whole lot of chemistry—a bit too much of do it on your own. Chytil being the center though—he should be the puck distributor. If and when he gets that going that line will be more dangerous. The other issue I have with Chytil is he doesn’t use his size nearly enough. He’s a big powerful guy and a very good skater but he hardly ever initiates contact. When you have something make it work for you. He’s got Mika as an example of how he could use his size better. He doesn’t have to kill people but just even leaning on them more would benefit his game.
     
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    Buchenvich played under AV too.

    20 points in 41 games in 16-17.
    43 points in 73 games in 17-18.

    Buch was a good player that was improving fast under AV with steady point progression. He was also an established NHL player by the time Quinn arrived. Using Buchnevich as a reference is terrible imo.

    If Buch went through the 8 minutes of ice time, frustrated struggles that we've seen from Andersson, Kravtsov, Kaapo, Filip, and to a lesser extent so far, ALF, then we could say the boat will dock when it pulls into the harbor. That's not the case though. Buchnevich has always been on the post-graduate program with no restraints. The kids are on the undergraduate mandatory Quinnology program and all of them has disappointed and struggled so far.

    To shoe horn Buchnevich in as one of the developmental assets of Quinn when he was here for the playoffs with Vigneault and is the discussion of being traded by our board is silly.

    Then people say, look at Zib and Bread! Career highs! Yes, career highs at the cost of the young prospects and career highs that was not the idea behind this rebuild.
     
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    Kakko is not our most responsible or best defensive forward. That said he has made significant progress from last year to this—almost like night and day. He’s not a guy I’d want to see out on the penalty kill at this point in time. Maybe next year or the year after. Speaking of ice time Mika and Buch average about 2 and a half minutes of penalty killing time a game. Take that away and Buch is a 16 and a half minute a game player and Mika an 18 minute a game player. Not so unreasonable then.

    On Chytil (and I mentioned this the other day) his AHL game hasn’t caught up with his NHL game yet by which I mean at the AHL level he was a puck distributing center and with the Rangers not so much. He’s more of a shooter and not so much a puck distributor. Like Kakko he’s made strides with his two way game but among the issues with our third line there is not a whole lot of chemistry—a bit too much of do it on your own. Chytil being the center though—he should be the puck distributor. If and when he gets that going that line will be more dangerous. The other issue I have with Chytil is he doesn’t use his size nearly enough. He’s a big powerful guy and a very good skater but he hardly ever initiates contact. When you have something make it work for you. He’s got Mika as an example of how he could use his size better. He doesn’t have to kill people but just even leaning on them more would benefit his game.
     
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    Umm, yes they are: Capitals Enter 2020-21 Season With NHL’s Oldest Roster

    And relatively by quite a margin I may add. Being a whole year younger on average than the next youngest team is quite substantial.
     
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    Nobody expects Chytil to play more than Strome and certainly not Mika. But I would expect him to play more minutes than our effing 4th line center who has played barely 50 games in NHL. Yes, Blackwell scored a goal and was noticeable. Chytil scored a goal too (2nd game in a row), was noticeable as well and also hit a crossbar, while playing almost 5 minutes less than Blackwell. What more can he realistically do with barely 10 minutes TOI? What is your idea of him getting mad and proving the coach wrong? Scoring on every shift? Winning Art Ross and Maurice Richard? Last year, he stepped up and was very solid as 1C when Mika was injured. I am really curious as to what more he has to do to """"prove the coach wrong""""" (quadruple quotation marks on purpose).

    Jeez.
     
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    Tokarski respecting Panarin's shot HARD on the winner here, covering half a foot off the short side post because of this concern you can see below. Because of that he had absolutely no chance to get across as Mika set up for the quick off-wing one timer
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    He showed flashes, but his conditioning and strength clearly weren't good enough for him to play "his game". His game is a grinding, quick stick game. Skaters can come into this league and find space right away. This is why power forwards take longer to develop. He has shown improvement in his strength and his stamina and so his game has improved. Those physical deficiencies should have been obvious to the coach who is invested in his development, not just his play on any given night. Quinn damaged his confidence and you can still see remnants of that when he is in a scoring situation. Buch is not a young player anymore; not sure how to evaluate his emergence. Chytil has all the talent in the world and is being stymied by this coach. I am surprised you used him as a positive example. And Lindgren has been good from the jump. It was surprising how good he and Fox were together, but where do you see Quinn in Lindgren's success? Where is Howden's improvement? How about Lemieux? Or Gauthier? Kakko through his efforts has earned a shot on PP1 in Strome's spot which is the clear problem with that unit. You can put Buch there also, but we need a lefty over there but Quinn has his favorites, seemingly all the Ivy League types. The "smart" seem to get ice time under him. I know that sounds crazy and i am thinking out loud, but it seems to be true.
     
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    This is the NHL anyone can beat anyone. I don't trust Quinn in the playoffs but the Rangers have the talent and now play defensively well enough they that they should be competitive in the east. This "we'll get killed" nonsense is tiring. Maybe against Tampa if we played them.
     
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    He was great before the injury, not so much after, and now he's rounding back into shape. My guess is the coach wasn't loving what they were doing in the defensive zone. Just a guess though. Chytil played 1o minutes last night, Rooney played 11, but Chytil got more ES time.
     
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