Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #2; Updated 10.7.20)

[Leetch3]

Better question is does he have the wrong intentions and go home crying when not gifted a spot since that is what actually impacts playing time

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Or does he have the best intentions and the hearts of the organization even though it's clear that he hasn't been able to play at an NHL level for several years now?

 

[TheWhiskeyThief]

Of course you'd rather win the lottery, because that would give you a better shot at winning multiple Cups down the road.
Just kidding, but that's the thought process some people have.

You plan to make the playoffs, but if puck luck isn’t going your way, you do light asset stripping and reboot for next year.

 

[egelband]

You could be right, but your reasoning is bullshit and chock full of assumptions.

unless you have actual measurements on Barron’s body composition.

The Heavenly Coffee

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

No college, junior or overseas player will be as physically developed as they can get if they aren't playing in the NHL where their fitness training and schedule will be light years better. A college hockey player has to go to class and workout with non professional fitness guys. The difference of him now dedicating all his time to his career and working with the best fitness people in his sport compared to playing in college is so large it's laughable.

 

[nyr2k2]

No college, junior or overseas player will be as physically developed as they can get if they aren't playing in the NHL where their fitness training and schedule will be light years better. A college hockey player has to go to class and workout with non professional fitness guys. The difference of him now dedicating all his time to his career and working with the best fitness people in his sport compared to playing in college is so large it's laughable.

You don't think the top European teams have great strength and conditioning programs?

I do agree that what you'd have in college is not the same as what you'd have at the professional level, due to NCAA restrictions on practice time, but college teams DO have professional strength coaches, athletic trainers, etc. They're not working out with some random bro spending his sixth year in the dorms. They have their own unique workout programs developed by really qualified people. Like the guy at Cornell who would work with Barron, he was the athletic trainer for US Olympic wrestling teams. He's not some amateur.

 

[cwede]

No college, junior or overseas player will be as physically developed as they can get ... college hockey player has to ... workout with non professional fitness guys. The difference of him now dedicating all his time to his career and working with the best fitness people in his sport compared to playing in college is so large it's laughable.

i strongly dispute above. with regard to D1 NCAA programs, especially in the top conferences.
They have more time to train, and over last 20 years conditioning has become a central part of most programs

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

You don't think the top European teams have great strength and conditioning programs?

I do agree that what you'd have in college is not the same as what you'd have at the professional level, due to NCAA restrictions on practice time, but college teams DO have professional strength coaches, athletic trainers, etc. They're not working out with some random bro spending his sixth year in the dorms. They have their own unique workout programs developed by really qualified people. Like the guy at Cornell who would work with Barron, he was the athletic trainer for US Olympic wrestling teams. He's not some amateur.

Imagine thinking the SHL, KHL and Liiga don't have the same level of intensity with coaches helping out these players. Just because they aren't the top players in the world, that doesn't mean the strength and conditioning is inferior. You should see the training regiment some of these players go through. All you need to do is follow the Twitter accounts of Frölunda, Rögle, Luleå, SKA, CSKA, Jokerit, Tappara, TPS etc to see what players do during practice every day. It's not that hard to find. There are interviews with players floating around online somewhere saying that the pre-season practice in the KHL is much harder than the NHL because it's more focused on edurance and power.

I won't even get into the NCAA part since you already did. Great bit of info.

 

[nyr2k2]

i strongly dispute above. with regard to D1 NCAA programs, especially in the top conferences.
They have more time to train, and over last 20 years conditioning has become a central part of most programs

Unless it's changed (which is possible), the NCAA rule for non-football programs was 20 hours of team activities per week and no more than four per day in-season. It was like 10 hours or something not in season. Practice was counted in those numbers. So, time was limited for official stuff. Obviously, the players were free to work out on their own or if they self-organized activities. So for those that placed a great emphasis on athletic training, they could definitely be getting reps comparable to what you'd get in a professional setting. It would really be up to the player. I haven't read much on Barron and his workout habits, but I know it's been said many times that K'Andre Miller basically lived at the gym and at the rink even when there were no official activities taking place. He'll probably step into camp with a pro-level physique.

 

[Joey Bones]

This site is so obsessed with youth that many fans here would rather win the draft lottery than the stanley cup. Players are constantly developing, even into their 30’s. Things like poise, leadership, hockey IQ, etc are constantly being developed as a player ages, one of the reasons veteran presence/leadership/intangibles actually matter regardless of whether it’s something pudgy millennials who never played hockey can plot on a fancy chart. If we’re in game 7 OT I would rather have Crosby on my team than McDavid.

^ This, except for the Crosby > McDavid thing. Would rather have both....

 

[True Blue]

If the Rangers knew how to develop players, you might have a point. Plenty of evidence demonstrates otherwise.

ZBad, Kreider, Fox, Lindgren, Buchnevich all just called to say "hi".

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

ZBad, Kreider, Fox, Lindgren, Buchnevich all just called to say "hi".

DeAngelo, Georgiev, Fast, Zuccarello

 

[True Blue]

DeAngelo, Georgiev, Fast, Zuccarello

Let's not ruin a narrative.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Let's not ruing a narrative.

Cue the inevitable "Those players developed on their own"

 

[True Blue]

Cue the inevitable "Those players developed on their own"

Of course, it's either that their natural talent shown through or the Rangers ruined the development.

 

[TheWhiskeyThief]

ZBad, Kreider, Fox, Lindgren, Buchnevich all just called to say "hi".

Zbad came from Ottawa, Fox jumped straight in from college (drafted elsewhere), Lindgren had 1 year in Hartford(drafted elsewhere) and Buchnevich has taken twice as long as most prospects to get it going.

So you got Kreider(as self motivated a player as you’ll see) Fast, Fogarty, Buchnevich, Gettinger ,Chytil , Crawley, Kakko and Shestyorkin in a decade of drafted prospects. From 2007-2017 drafts they got 16 players on NHL rosters, 3 of whom were shipped out as damaged goods. To be average, you should have 23 players on rosters in the league.

To quote the immortal Derrick Coleman, “Whoop-de-damn-do!”

 

[True Blue]

Zbad came from Ottawa, Fox jumped straight in from college (drafted elsewhere), Lindgren had 1 year in Hartford(drafted elsewhere) and Buchnevich has taken twice as long as most prospects to get it going.

You are likening ZBad's play in Ottawa to what he has been doing here?

Who cares that Fox jumped in from college or where he was drafted? Do you really believe that the coaching staff had nothing to dowith getting him to a point that he can play at the NHL level and keeping him there?

And also who cares where Lindgren was drafted? Was he not being developed at Hartford or during most of the season with the big club?

Buchnevich is 25 years old and has established himself as a solid 2nd line player. 3 years ago (at 22) he broke 40 points for the first time, in his first full season. How is that twice as long as most prospects? Which ones got to at least 40 points in their first full season?

So you got Kreider(as self motivated a player as you’ll see) Fast, Fogarty, Buchnevich, Gettinger ,Chytil , Crawley, Kakko and Shestyorkin in a decade of drafted prospects. From 2007-2017 drafts they got 16 players on NHL rosters, 3 of whom were shipped out as damaged goods. To be average, you should have 23 players on rosters in the league.

Not really sure of what you are driving at here. You do realize that there were multiple years with no first or second round picks, right?

To quote the immortal Derrick Coleman, “Whoop-de-damn-do!”

Opinions vary

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

You are likening ZBad's play in Ottawa to what he has been doing here?

Who cares that Fox jumped in from college or where he was drafted? Do you really believe that the coaching staff had nothing to dowith getting him to a point that he can play at the NHL level and keeping him there?

And also who cares where Lindgren was drafted? Was he not being developed at Hartford or during most of the season with the big club?

Buchnevich is 25 years old and has established himself as a solid 2nd line player. 3 years ago (at 22) he broke 40 points for the first time, in his first full season. How is that twice as long as most prospects? Which ones got to at least 40 points in their first full season?

Not really sure of what you are driving at here. You do realize that there were multiple years with no first or second round picks, right?

Opinions vary

He obviously missed the Dube, Jeff Brown, Goneau era....

 

[Leetch3]

Of course, it's either that their natural talent shown through or the Rangers ruined the development.

but that would invalidate the argument that we never draft, sign or trade good players

 

[True Blue]

He obviously missed the Dube, Jeff Brown, Goneau era....

It was the horse meat that ruined Dube.

 

[True Blue]

but that would invalidate the argument that we never draft, sign or trade good players

True 'dat. If people really want to see an age of poor development, they have no further to go than the Dark Ages and even the Leetch trade

 

[TheWhiskeyThief]

Opinions vary

Informed ones don’t.

 

[Fitzy]

Informed ones don’t.

I got some news for you brother...

 

[GAGLine]

Informed ones don’t.

What about Barron? I'd say he has developed very well.

 

[Leetch3]

What about Barron? I'd say he has developed very well.

you don't get credit for developing a player by leaving him in college, it doesn't fit the narrative. get with the program.