Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #1; Updated 5.24.21)

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'm a Brett Berard Believer.

7 points in 13 games so far as an undersized freshman. Has Gaudreau at center written all over him.

JG was a PPG as a frosh (stacked team, but he pushed his way into getting significant ice time) so I'd set the expectations a bit lower. I could see him carving out a Drury type career though which would be a home run.

He should be at 8 in 13 though. He 10000% didn't get credit for an assist that he should have gotten credit for.

 

[Machinehead]

JG was a PPG as a frosh (stacked team, but he pushed his way into getting significant ice time) so I'd set the expectations a bit lower. I could see him carving out a Drury type career though which would be a home run.

He should be at 8 in 13 though. He 10000% didn't get credit for an assist that he should have gotten credit for.

Fake news. Gaudreau cheated.

 

[Ranger Ric]

Zac Jones was interviewed by Molly Walker on the NYPost Rangers podcast and he said he was going back to Mass for next season and then would decide whether to turn pro after that season.

 

[SRHRangers]

Ciccolini watch.

Another goal.

 

[SRHRangers]

Fake news. Gaudreau cheated.

During the WJC, I saw Berard as a smaller, but faster Callahan.

Played the role on the 3rd line perfect. Forechecked and hit like he thought he was 6'2, 210 lol

 

[nyr2k2]

Pajuniemi with the ENG.

Aaltonen didn't play. He hasn't played forever, not sure if he's hurt or just sucks.

Tärnström with an assist for his HockeyEttan club.

Lundkvist, Edström, Henriksson scoreless. Henriksson only played 8 minutes.

Ciccolini with the aforementioned goal.

Hughes is scoreless. He was also -4 last night in a 4-1 loss. Ouch.

Skinner plays at 9:10.

Next Friday, Robertson will be back on the ice.

 

[Machinehead]

During the WJC, I saw Berard as a smaller, but faster Callahan.

Played the role on the 3rd line perfect. Forechecked and hit like he thought he was 6'2, 210 lol

I see that comp for sure but Berard has offensive upside that Callahan can only hit on playstation.

His ceiling would be a small, tenacious top line scorer. So yeah, maybe like a Drury, a Cirelli, or a less cheap Marchand.

That's ceiling of course, I want to disclaim that I'm not getting ahead of myself.

 

[nyr2k2]

Through two periods, Hunter Skinner has picked up goal 4 and point 10 in his 13th ECHL game.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I see that comp for sure but Berard has offensive upside that Callahan can only hit on playstation.

His ceiling would be a small, tenacious top line scorer. So yeah, maybe like a Drury, a Cirelli, or a less cheap Marchand.

That's ceiling of course, I want to disclaim that I'm not getting ahead of myself.

I'm sorry, but you see Berard's ceiling as a Brad Marchand type? As in a NHL all star first liner? That seems a bit...unrealistic.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'm sorry, but you see Berard's ceiling as a Brad Marchand type? As in a NHL all star first liner? That seems a bit...unrealistic.

It's called "ceiling" not "expected outcome"

 

[SRHRangers]

I do think Berard has a decent future.

Looks to be extremely coachable as well.

 

[nyr2k2]

It's called "ceiling" not "expected outcome"

I don't think his ceiling is Brad Marchand, either. I mean, I LOVE Berard and have from before we drafted him, but there's no reasonable reality where he becomes one of the best players in the game on an annual basis. It's just not realistic. When we talk about ceiling it still should be grounded in reality.

 

[Leetch3]

I don't think his ceiling is Brad Marchand, either. I mean, I LOVE Berard and have from before we drafted him, but there's no reasonable reality where he becomes one of the best players in the game on an annual basis. It's just not realistic. When we talk about ceiling it still should be grounded in reality.

to be fair though, brad marchand's ceiling wasn't brad marchand either when he was drafted...if anyone saw him as a 1st line guy scoring over a ppg, he would have been a 1st round pick not 3rd.

that's not to say that berard will come close to that...but if you had predicted brad would become the player he has back in 2007 people would have laughed

 

[kovazub94]

I don't think his ceiling is Brad Marchand, either. I mean, I LOVE Berard and have from before we drafted him, but there's no reasonable reality where he becomes one of the best players in the game on an annual basis. It's just not realistic. When we talk about ceiling it still should be grounded in reality.

to be fair though, brad marchand's ceiling wasn't brad marchand either when he was drafted...if anyone saw him as a 1st line guy scoring over a ppg, he would have been a 1st round pick not 3rd.

that's not to say that berard will come close to that...but if you had predicted brad would become the player he has back in 2007 people would have laughed

@nyr2k2 is absolutely right that calling a ceiling like this for a 5th round draftee’s in the middle of his D+1 year is nuts - because then why not call EVERYONE’s ceiling McDavid or Hedman or Lundqvist.

This is where percentages should come in. Yeah, maybe there’s a 10%-15% chance of Marchand in Berard’s future, but it means there’s 85%-90% against.

Edit: P.S. Fully expect a gif from Dumb and Dumber in replies

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I don't think his ceiling is Brad Marchand, either. I mean, I LOVE Berard and have from before we drafted him, but there's no reasonable reality where he becomes one of the best players in the game on an annual basis. It's just not realistic. When we talk about ceiling it still should be grounded in reality.

Yeah, I doubt Berard ever comes close to Marchand but I feel some people often confuse ceiling with probable outcome.

Berard's most likely outcome (assuming he makes the NHL) is a bottom-6 role with the high energy motor he has. But sometimes 5th round picks defy all odds and turn into more than what they were expected to be

 

[kovazub94]

Yeah, I doubt Berard ever comes close to Marchand but I feel some people often confuse ceiling with probable outcome.

Berard's most likely outcome (assuming he makes the NHL) is a bottom-6 role with the high energy motor he has. But sometimes 5th round picks defy all odds and turn into more than what they were expected to be

See, I think it’s in reverse.

Berard’s reasonable outcome is what you described if he beats the prospect odds. His ceiling in this scenario is Callahan. Marchand is almost completely out of question at this point unless we’re talking taking crazy odds against.

When I mentioned 10% chance - it’s in comparison to him being an energy bottom liner, which itself is like 5% for his draft spot - so we’re talking less than 1%.

 

[Harbour Dog]

I was just thinking about Garand vs. Lindbom in their respective drafts, and realized that I just think Garand was pretty obviously a better prospect, regardless of where they were drafted.

Is that consensus thinking, or is it kind of a divisive topic?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I was just thinking about Garand vs. Lindbom in their respective drafts, and realized that I just think Garand was pretty obviously a better prospect, regardless of where they were drafted.

Is that consensus thinking, or is it kind of a divisive topic?

Garand has played 1 game since he was drafted. It's a bit early to make such statements.

Lindbom has struggled a lot with injuries so if Garand can stay healthy, he has that advantage over Lindbom at least. But in terms of pure skill, it's way too early to say Garand is a better prospect

 

[Ola]

to be fair though, brad marchand's ceiling wasn't brad marchand either when he was drafted...if anyone saw him as a 1st line guy scoring over a ppg, he would have been a 1st round pick not 3rd.

that's not to say that berard will come close to that...but if you had predicted brad would become the player he has back in 2007 people would have laughed

Yeah, and this is a bit of what is facinating with hockey prospects. You can claim that Marchand is one of the absolute best forwards in the game significantly below only the absolute cannons.

Even when he was 28 y/o in 2016, I don’t think many would have labeled him as a good 1st lineer.

 

[SRHRangers]

See, I think it’s in reverse.

Berard’s reasonable outcome is what you described if he beats the prospect odds. His ceiling in this scenario is Callahan. Marchand is almost completely out of question at this point unless we’re talking taking crazy odds against.

When I mentioned 10% chance - it’s in comparison to him being an energy bottom liner, which itself is like 5% for his draft spot - so we’re talking less than 1%.

He's a better skater than Callahan was, so I could see a slightly higher ceiling for Berard offensively.

Although, I agree with you about the expectations.

I just love the motor on Berard. He will never be a guy benched for lack of effort.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Garand has played 1 game since he was drafted. It's a bit early to make such statements.

Lindbom has struggled a lot with injuries so if Garand can stay healthy, he has that advantage over Lindbom at least. But in terms of pure skill, it's way too early to say Garand is a better prospect

I'm talking about at the draft, not what they've done since.

If I was given a choice of either one in their draft year, I would have taken Garand.

Lindbom only had a strong international record to his credit, while Garand was expected to be one of the top goalies in the WHL in his D+1 season.

 

[kovazub94]

He's a better skater than Callahan was, so I could see a slightly higher ceiling for Berard offensively.

Although, I agree with you about the expectations.

I just love the motor on Berard. He will never be a guy benched for lack of effort.

Berard maybe is faster than Callahan but then the whole game is faster as well

 

[nyr2k2]

to be fair though, brad marchand's ceiling wasn't brad marchand either when he was drafted...if anyone saw him as a 1st line guy scoring over a ppg, he would have been a 1st round pick not 3rd.

that's not to say that berard will come close to that...but if you had predicted brad would become the player he has back in 2007 people would have laughed

I get that players exceed expectations. There are obviously countless stories of that occuring (dwarfed, immensely, by those that fail to meet expectations). I'm just saying, based on what Berard has done to this point and what a reasonable player development trajectory would look like for him, he's nowhere near a Marchand-level player. Of course there's the .01% chance that he explodes and turns into one of the game's elite, but it's not realistic to consider that a ceiling for him at this time.

From a stylistic perspective, and considering Berard said he models himself after Marchand, I totally get it. I just think it's unreasonable to call that a ceiling.

 

[2014nyr]

Yeah, and this is a bit of what is facinating with hockey prospects. You can claim that Marchand is one of the absolute best forwards in the game significantly below only the absolute cannons.

Even when he was 28 y/o in 2016, I don’t think many would have labeled him as a good 1st lineer.

before even that, would anyone have even considered the level marchand has gotten to when he was 4-5 years into his nhl career as even a remote possibility? which began after 4 years of juniors and 1.5 in the ahl.

not to say i think berards ceiling or probability is marchand - i don't see that happening - it would be in the extreme tail of upside distribution if you will. but 1 we're not going to know for a long time and 2 there is absolutely no one who can say with authority what it is / isn't going to happen for him. its fun to talk about and project. its preferable to live in reality and know the odds right now say its reasonable to think he can become a bottom 6 nhl'er, though by no means is that guaranteed. for my money i'm bullish on his making it. but sports wouldn't be any fun if those tail scenarios never came to fruition so its fun to entertain the thought.

the marchand/cally debate is more applicable to style rather than upside for me. cally was a lunchpail energy guy with some pretty legit skill. but he wasn't about pushing the envelope - he would stand his ground for sure but not one to instigate, he stayed within the lines and just annoyed people w/ effort. in that context i definitely see more marchand than cally in berard and i love it, but by no means do i also expect that to come with 100 points a year. making it and putting up 40-50 pts a year while being one of the more hated players in the league would be fantastic value, anything more offensively is gravy.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'm talking about at the draft, not what they've done since.

If I was given a choice of either one in their draft year, I would have taken Garand.

Lindbom only had a strong international record to his credit, while Garand was expected to be one of the top goalies in the WHL in his D+1 season.

It wasn't just the u18 WJC. He had a strong season at u18 level for the NT.

His numbers at club level weren't superb but going from J18A to J20SE is a big jump for a 17-year old kid.

Garand in the 4th round is better value than Lindbom in the 2nd, but mainly because I believe goalies should never be drafted in the 1st or 2nd round, no matter how good they are. I wouldn't be happy with Garand at pick 60 where we drafted Cuylle.