Rumor: Rangers, Islanders and Devils aggressively seeking Trouba

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CarlWinslow

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Eh he won 2 U18 WJC gold metals and 1 U20 WJC gold medal. He's won something, so let's not get carried away.

Fair point. He hasn't won anything at the NHL level. No individual awards, no team anything, it just seems like he's being overrated here. He's a good defensemam don't get me wrong, but he shouldn't be garnering an elite package in return.
 

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If Trouba is your #1 defenseman, sounds like that’s going to be a big blow to your team losing him. Mini rebuild?
If we are just ranking our d men, then I would put trouba at #2 behind Morrissey. Even so, losing trouba will be a massive blow to the blue line.
 

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Would like to think JBB would be after Trouba, him and Hedman as a pairing would be sick.
 

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Fair point. He hasn't won anything at the NHL level. No individual awards, no team anything, it just seems like he's being overrated here. He's a good defensemam don't get me wrong, but he shouldn't be garnering an elite package in return.
No one is asking for an "elite" package. The Jets are just asking for fair value for a young, proven #1RHD.
 

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why does everyone keep calling trouba a number one when he plays as a 3 on a team that's defence is decent but not great?
Trouba is the the Jets #1D and has been for a couple years. Buff stretches his shifts, which bumps his ice time but gets sheltered deployment. Trouba plays more shifts, is the first choice in all situations except PP and gets assigned the other teams top players.
 

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buff is the #1 rd on the jets all day every day
Nope, not even close. 5v5 Trouba out produces him, faces the other teams best players and is much better defensively. Buff is a #3 PP specialist at this point in his career. He can still be as impactful as anyone in the game over short stretches, but doesn’t do it as often anymore.
 

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I know the threads about Devils, Islanders and Rangers, but IMO the Devils just don't have what the Jets are looking for and the Islanders have so much at RHD I can see them wanting to wait for Dobson instead of making a now play for Trouba.

I look at the Rangers and I like the pieces on their team so much. They've really done a great job putting talent together. Trouba is a foundation piece of any team as he's entering his prime as a top pair defender. I've always assumed that the acquiring team will work out an extension before any trade occurs so they have the security of knowing that he'll be there long term at a price point they can work with. If the situation was reversed I'd be uncomfortable moving the players asked for without the security of knowing he's going to be a long term add.

For Rangers fans, if you think you're 2-3 years away from contending, would you consider an extended Trouba (say 7 by $7.5) for Zibanejad before his NMC kicks in on July 1st? I know that isn't the asked speculated in the article, but I'm just wondering if it's something you would entertain as Zib would be hitting UFA right when you started to contend where if you traded him to us you'd still have 28 year old Trouba for 4 more years at that point. I realize you'd need to package up other players to trade for a C like a Turris, or hit the UFA market for a Duchesne or bring Hayes back. Or don't do anything and bottom out another year and add another super high end prospect. You'd have lots of depth at RD to make a trade happen and you could go with Trouba, Deangelo, Fox on the right side long term. So Pionk, Lundkist, Shattenkirk (who you could retain on) could all be moved out. On left D you have Skjei, Hajek, Miller and Lindgren which looks like an elite back end in a few years. Trouba replaces the veteran leadership you lose with Zib.

Anyhow, I think it could make sense for both teams if Trouba will extend with the Rangers. I know you don't want to, but if that's what it took to win the bidding war would you do it?
Rangers wouldn’t trade Zib for Trouba in a thousand freaking years lol
 
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Fair point. He hasn't won anything at the NHL level. No individual awards, no team anything, it just seems like he's being overrated here. He's a good defensemam don't get me wrong, but he shouldn't be garnering an elite package in return.

Since Trouba played his first game in the NHL there has been:

5 teams that won the cup.

1 Dman to win the Conn Smythe

0 Dman to win the Hart

1 Dman to win the Calder

0 Dman to win the Art Ross

6 different Dman to win the Norris

By your measure of “not winning anything”......that would mean outside of a very very small handful of Dman in the NHL since 2013, are overrated. No one is saying he’s elite, people are saying he’s a 25 yr #1D who plays a good two way physical game while still being able to put up points.....any Dman who can do that or claim that and has the analytics to prove it is worth a fair bit both contract wise and trade wise.
 

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Nope. Trouba will be a trade and sign. So, it would be fair value for an extended, young, proven #1RHD.

kevin cheveldayoff is a pretty horrible GM so I wouldn't but it past him to trade him for peanuts, but since you seem to be talking in absolute certainties, who is anyone to question you?
 

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Since Trouba played his first game in the NHL there has been:

5 teams that won the cup.

1 Dman to win the Conn Smythe

0 Dman to win the Hart

1 Dman to win the Calder

0 Dman to win the Art Ross

6 different Dman to win the Norris

By your measure of “not winning anything”......that would mean outside of a very very small handful of Dman in the NHL since 2013, are overrated. No one is saying he’s elite, people are saying he’s a 25 yr #1D who plays a good two way physical game while still being able to put up points.....any Dman who can do that or claim that and has the analytics to prove it is worth a fair bit both contract wise and trade wise.

Great. But even his team has made the playoffs what, 3 times? And been punted in the first round two of those times.

I agree, he's a solid fairly young dman with minimal term left. And the return should reflect that. Unfortunately the prices listed by Jets fans in this thread thus far do not.
 

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Hunter368

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Great. But even his team has made the playoffs what, 3 times? And been punted in the first round two of those times.

I agree, he's a solid fairly young dman with minimal term left. And the return should reflect that. Unfortunately the prices listed by Jets fans in this thread thus far do not.

Value vs over rated are two different things. Value will vary depending if he’s traded with one yr term or an extension agreed to....I totally agree with you on that point. But you said Trouba is “over rated”.....which is suggesting he isn’t as good as he really is. By all standards eye & analytics wise he’s a #1D, no one is saying elite or top 10-15 Dman.......but without doubt he is a #1D and RHD to boot. #1RHD very rarely ever become a FA, so Chevy will arrange a trade with an extension agreed to or a significant plus if he’s extended after the trade (conditional 1st as example).

Either way......we will all know this weekend.
 
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CarlWinslow

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Value vs over rated are two different things. Value will vary depending if he’s traded with one yr term or an extension agreed to....I totally agree with you on that point. But you said Trouba is “over rated”.....which is suggesting he isn’t as good as he really is. By all standards eye & analytics wise he’s a #1D, no one is saying elite or top 10-15 Dman.......but without doubt he is a #1D and RHD to boot. #1RHD very rarely ever become a FA, so Chevy will arrange a trade with an extension agreed to or a significant plus if he’s extended after the trade (conditional 1st as example).

Either way......we will all know this weekend.

Chevy might. Trouba could just as easily decide to put up with one more year in the Peg and go FA where he gets to select his destination.
 

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Chevy might. Trouba could just as easily decide to put up with one more year in the Peg and go FA where he gets to select his destination.

Trouba cannot influence if he’s traded or not......literally the only rights he has is file for arbitration in July, he will be traded well before then. Then he has the right to sign with his new team or not. Chevy will use the list of teams he had already approved (previously) and likely confirmed (again this time round) to select a destination to send him to with the intent of giving the Jets the best possible chance of benefitting from the conditional pick added (or a agreed to contract) to the deal. Trouba will have every incentive to resign immediately (this summer) to get his big long term deal starting this year and not waiting till next year. The new team will want to extend Trouba to keep the #1D they just gave up significant assets for instead of losing him to FA. Will it happen this way? No guarantees of course, but it’s certainly in everyone (Trouba, Jets and Trouba’s new team) best mutual interest that it does......so I think most Jets fans like those odds. Time will tell though.
 

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Great. But even his team has made the playoffs what, 3 times? And been punted in the first round two of those times.

I agree, he's a solid fairly young dman with minimal term left. And the return should reflect that. Unfortunately the prices listed by Jets fans in this thread thus far do not.
Jack Eichels teams have never made the playoffs. I'm sure you're willing to admit he sucks?
 

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If the Devils are in on a Winnipeg player, I'd rather go after Ehlers than Trouba. I'm terrified of that contract Trouba is going to get and Ehlers would look tremendous on Hughes's wing. We can get D elsewhere.
 

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If the Devils are in on a Winnipeg player, I'd rather go after Ehlers than Trouba. I'm terrified of that contract Trouba is going to get and Ehlers would look tremendous on Hughes's wing. We can get D elsewhere.

The only reason Jets to trade Ehlers is for a top 4 D.
 

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We all get Jets wanna hold on to him as long as possible and no begrudges that.

They have to recognize he includes Wini in long term plans or not, and if not, what is plan B.

It is also stupid to think the Rangers or anyone else has a certain ability to lock him up when his term is finished. Better than average chances, maybe, but there is no given.
At this pt the teams in FL have the best chances.

So here is my offer:
Howden for Trouba straight up as is.

Howden is relatively local [Calgary], w/2 yrs elc left. Makes squad competing bottom 6 pivot, no challenge to Schieffle but I could see competing for 2C.
He helps immediately and is still cheap.

Rangers take the risk of what to do if Trouba won't extend.
They should flip him to FL for 13OA this year as down payment, and then conditional if and only if Trouba extends, then another 1st OR 2 2nds for something like that.
Gives NY something for now to build on, and fair value if he eventually extends.

thoughts?
 

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We all get Jets wanna hold on to him as long as possible and no begrudges that.

They have to recognize he includes Wini in long term plans or not, and if not, what is plan B.

It is also stupid to think the Rangers or anyone else has a certain ability to lock him up when his term is finished. Better than average chances, maybe, but there is no given.
At this pt the teams in FL have the best chances.

So here is my offer:
Howden for Trouba straight up as is.

Howden is relatively local [Calgary], w/2 yrs elc left. Makes squad competing bottom 6 pivot, no challenge to Schieffle but I could see competing for 2C.
He helps immediately and is still cheap.

Rangers take the risk of what to do if Trouba won't extend.
They should flip him to FL for 13OA this year as down payment, and then conditional if and only if Trouba extends, then another 1st OR 2 2nds for something like that.
Gives NY something for now to build on, and fair value if he eventually extends.

thoughts?
so WPG option is to FLA for the 13th + conditional 1st or two 2nds. or to NYR for Brett Howden by himself? I think id take the FLA deal.

btw pretty sure Howden is from Oakbank which is just outside Winnipeg
 
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