News Article: Rangers Chose Girardi, Not Boyle, Over Stralman

[ReggieDunlop68]

Article sucks. Talking about the idiocy of this move pisses me off so keep in mind I'm excessively cranky when discussing it.

That's why I said this:

I got to hand it to the writer for effectively stirring up the muck withe current gripe from the fandom, but this team would have been out in five with Stralman even if he weren't injured in the playoffs.

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What shocks me is how many people buy this line of crap that it was about girardi.

You shouldn't. This is just the copy pasta give the people their echo chamber copy pasta of the Web 3.0.

 

[Holocene]

IDGAFF if it's Boyle over Stalman or Girardi over Stralman or Stephen Hawking over Stralman it was a bad move.

By bad I mean absolutely terrible- confidence in front office killing inept decision.


I hope something that dumb doesn't happen again after the Staal trade. lol

Yep, doesn't matter who they chose over Stralman it was just awful to let him go. I feel the same way about Hagelin. His play style was very important to our team identity. Should have found ways to keep both.

 

[KingDeathMetal]

Might be accurate, but the reality is that, coming off a strong playoff performance (and already having G under contract), we still had the chance to resign Stralman but chose to not even negotiate with him.

Instead, we brought on Dan Boyle, who was a disaster for the Sharks in their Round 1 debacle against LA that same playoffs. Why not just re-sign Stralman and pursue Yandle from the very outset of the season?

 

[Raspewtin]

Article was awful btw.

Even if the premise is correct.

 

[Savant]

I said this and no one believed me. Nice to see it confirmed in writing.

 

[Luther*]

Choosing one player over another

Same can be said on the Nash trade ,or the yandle trade etc easy to judge now isn't it no one has a crystal ball we wish but we don't and other teams don't either every team in the same boat.

 

[Cassano]

Losing Stralman was franchise crippling.

Just can't let go of elite players without replacing them.

 

[Made Dan]

Losing Stralman was franchise crippling.

Just can't let go of elite players without replacing them.

Most inexcusable part is they never made a serious effort to bring him back. Think the last talks took place in December and I vaguely remember Brooksie saying we offered him 3Mx3. Imagine he took that? Christ.

 

[kovazub94]

That doesn't disprove anything he said. Fact is Klein's acquisition made Stralman's departure more palatable to management. It was a safety net.

Klein proved his value with his play after the trade. At the time of the acquisition it did not signal anything re. Stralman since back then both Girardi and Stralman had been upcoming UFAs.

 

[Miamipuck]

Article was awful btw.

Even if the premise is correct.

This

 

[kovazub94]

Maybe, I'm just misreading what you're trying to say here, but the Klein traded happened in late January and the Girardi extension happened a month after that.

I was trying to say that the case for signing Stralman over Girardi became much stronger after the final 1/3 of the regular season and the play-offs. Relatively speaking at the trade deadline Stralman was still a much less a "sure" first pair RD than on July 1st.

 

[DaBadGuy7]

This was clear the minute they gave Girardi that terrible contract instead of fishing out a market to trade him at the deadline

 

[Ex Officer Friendly]

Oh good something that happen 2 years let's drag it up. For the next article it should be Tarasanko v McIlrath v Fowler. Or even a Hugh Jessiman article.

 

[Off Sides]

So if it was Girardi they choose, they must have had a plan to replace Stralman

So either they already knew they could get Boyle or needed to get him leaving them in the position to overpay, add another year

Or they had no plan other than they knew it was not going to be Stralman

Either way that is a good thing?

 

[kovazub94]

Might be accurate, but the reality is that, coming off a strong playoff performance (and already having G under contract), we still had the chance to resign Stralman but chose to not even negotiate with him.

Instead, we brought on Dan Boyle, who was a disaster for the Sharks in their Round 1 debacle against LA that same playoffs. Why not just re-sign Stralman and pursue Yandle from the very outset of the season?

Please explain (first bolded) how from the salary cap perspective? Keep in mind that Stralman would've required a higher $$ due to NY State taxes (advantage for Tampa that there's no FL state income tax) and the team was looking for a PP quarterback to sign via UFA market.

Pursue Yandle from the onset? First - he wasn't available, second Duclair was a higher unknown and didn't show chemistry with Max Domi until WJC that took place much later. Boyle was a very iffy option even two years ago but going after Yandle instead was not an option.

 

[TheTakedown]

Please explain (first bolded) how from the salary cap perspective? Keep in mind that Stralman would've required a higher $$ due to NY State taxes (advantage for Tampa that there's no FL state income tax) and the team was looking for a PP quarterback to sign via UFA market.

Pursue Yandle from the onset? First - he wasn't available, second Duclair was a higher unknown and didn't show chemistry with Max Domi until WJC that took place much later. Boyle was a very iffy option even two years ago but going after Yandle instead was not an option.

Stralman makes $4.5M AAV on the Lightning. Even if you take count the tax differences, he would have cost us $5M, that's STILL LESS THAN WHAT THEY PAID GIRARDI, and every statistic showed that Stralman was the better player.

 

[Thirty One]

Oh good something that happen 2 years let's drag it up. For the next article it should be Tarasanko v McIlrath v Fowler. Or even a Hugh Jessiman article.

On it.

 

[Ex Officer Friendly]

On it.

Best NYR blog from the West Coast of Canada

 

[kovazub94]

Stralman makes $4.5M AAV on the Lightning. Even if you take count the tax differences, he would have cost us $5M, that's STILL LESS THAN WHAT THEY PAID GIRARDI, and every statistic showed that Stralman was the better player.

Not sure what's your point? He claimed that the Rangers would've been able to sign both G and Stralman (and find PP QB).

 

[KingWantsCup]

Even more painful...

 

[McD27]

Stralman pairing with Hedman helped a bit too.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Premise is not even close to correct. They wanted lesser term (which they knew Stralman wouldn't sign for) due to all the UFA's and RFA's that had to be re-signed in the up and coming years.

Eventually what it comes down to is that indirectly speaking, Staal and Girardi's ridiculous extensions forced Stralman out the door without a fight. However, why sign Boyle and Glass at that point? Should have kept Stralman, not signed Glass and stayed par.

The biggest mistake obviously was the two contracts handed out to two players who clearly were in decline when they were given those deals. Marc Staal was just about a year removed from what many thought would be a career threatening injury. Why did Sather go give the guy a raise??? Makes absolutely no sense. Girardi was never a great player according to the advanced statistics and his foot speed has been decreasing by the year. So instead of looking at what would really happen, they pay the guy on past laurels (mainly his 2012 season) and it bites them in the ass.

The right thing to do is get rid of those damn deals.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

I will always give them this much. Girardi had a role and was needed in that 1 RD spot. A contender simply cannot lose a guy like that at the time.

He did his job in the D zone against top players in the world to a satisfactory degree and there was no way we could lose that. Losing Sauer was brutal for this franchise. We could have easily said sayanora to Girardi. Then again we wouldn't have signed Stralman potentially. Butterfly effect. Even though he was brought in for the bottom pair originally so who knows.

Point is I don't blame them for re-signing Girardi. I blame them for the idiotic terms and for compounding the idiocy with other moves.

I also strongly suspect the franchise would have been MUCH better trading Callahan (and the picks if need be) for a well scouted RD prospect. I trust our amateur scouting dept utterly and completely. Funny because of the way I completely distrust our pro scouting dept.

Some1 will inevitably point out we went to the SCF that year. I think we'd have made it anyway. Simply winning two more games overall compared to the previous ECF trip we made wasn't worth it imo regardless.

I think we'd have been much better this past season and next season as well. We'd have had 5.5 M extra this season and no Girardi problems for starters.

Add the god awful Duclair trade too. Team should be every bit of good next year as it was when we went to the SCF and it's not bc of myopic as hell decisions

 

[haohmaru]

Stralman makes $4.5M AAV on the Lightning. Even if you take count the tax differences, he would have cost us $5M, that's STILL LESS THAN WHAT THEY PAID GIRARDI, and every statistic showed that Stralman was the better player.

Every statistic what? Girardi, when he was signed, had more goals, assists, points, ATOI than Stralman (2013-14).

This article sucks. This is less about retaining Girardi than it is another misguided attempt to bring in a "power play specialist" to replace the crappy "power play specialist" (Richards) that the Rangers get wrong every single time they do it.

And then there's Dan Boyle, who just got done (yesterday) essentially saying he wanted more minutes and would've played better if they put him out there more. Just retire, bud.

 

[Made Dan]

Oh good something that happen 2 years let's drag it up. For the next article it should be Tarasanko v McIlrath v Fowler. Or even a Hugh Jessiman article.

Though you're right that it's frivolous to dwell on the past, we're still dealing with the disastrous ramifications. Bit different from the Mcilrath pick.