Post-Game Talk: Rangers 3, Penguins 1 - One Word for This Powerplay

[Empoleon8771]

Firing the coach won't do anything if the stars are playing like shit. Look at what is going on with their powerplay, they fired Recchi because their poweprlay sucked and now it still sucks with Rierden. Which is more likely, that they just keep hiring bad PP coaches or the players on the PP are bad at it? The coaching staff can't control guys like Crosby and Malkin every second. You can't just keep firing coaches because your stars aren't getting it done like they're paid to get it done, especially considering they've already lost their GM this year.

I can see Sullivan getting fired after the year, but there's not a chance that they fire him now and firing him now would very likely solve nothing. The problems of this team right now fall squarely on the big guns, and firing the coach won't solve those problems. You can have Scotty Bowman as the coach on this team and it wouldn't matter if the big guns keep playing like this.

Malkin and Crosby have both generally done nothing at 5v5 this year. Guentzel still looks like he's afraid of going into the dirty areas due to his injury last year. Letang has been a no-show offensively this year. The big guns on the powerplay are continuously trying to do the same stuff that worked 5 years ago, despite it not being able to work now due to the age of the big guns and the loss of Hornqvist and Kessel. Those are all problems with a group of about 4-6 players, and if you don't fix those issues, literally no other moves you make matter.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I bet if Letang is traded he lights it up on his new team’s goals pp

Sid and Geno are why this pp is horrible.

agree with bolded but I don’t think Letang is sick on the PP anymore.

Just ur average PP1 QB. Makes more good plays than bad but not elite at the point. (Still a monster at 5v5 tho.)

 

[Empoleon8771]

agree with bolded but I don’t think Letang is sick on the PP anymore.

Just ur average PP1 QB. Makes more good plays than bad but not elite at the point. (Still a monster at 5v5 tho.)

I have the opinion that Crosby and Malkin have always been bad powerplay players, but they produce on the powerplay due to the insane amount of talent on the powerplay unit.

Guys like Gonchar, Hornqvist and Kessel are elite powerplay players. Crosby and Malkin are elite players that put up points on the powerplay.

 

[The Old Master]

I mean we are missing our #1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8 defensemen or something like that lol

I went into this game thinking the same thing, and i didn't think we had much of a chance. but after watching the game and seeing some guys playing their hearts out. only to lose in such a way
this is one we should of won.

 

[The Old Master]

I was in favor of moving Horny in the off-season, but I’m willing to eat crow on that idea. Horny has been incredible in Florida.

Florida is letting him do what he does best. do you actually think sully would do that? he wasn't while he was here.

 

[Angrrus]

What a powerplay!!

Let’s play everybody on-wing so nobody has a one timer option and all passes are longer and cross body. Amazing PP strategy.

I guess we have some really smart powerplay coaching here.

Or amazingly caring and dedicated star players, who heed every word out of PP coach's mouth.

 

[Angrrus]

Pens fans: So glad Rex is gone, next PP coach can’t be any worse.
Todd Reirden: Hold my hair regrowth tonic

How many PP coaches must come and go before the fanbase even starts concidering that the problem lies with performers, not with the overseers?

 

[Angrrus]

And yeah, Guentzel is as much to blame as the legends. He is doing NOTHING. Sid was doing some little things right in this game, imo. Geno had his good moments but he is a poison on that powerplay. Jake is nothing.

Excep that his cap hit is half as big as Sid's and Geno's. So he is not the primary reason.

 

[Gurglesons]

I went into this game thinking the same thing, and i didn't think we had much of a chance. but after watching the game and seeing some guys playing their hearts out. only to lose in such a way
this is one we should of won.

Yeah our defense has been fine for a couple games now.

 

[Angrrus]

No argument there. I can't believe with our personnel THIS was the result of six PP's. They ought to be ashamed of themselves.

But they aren't. They don't care.

 

[The Old Master]

How many PP coaches must come and go before the fanbase even starts concidering that the problem lies with performers, not with the overseers?

when we see them try some deferent things and it continues not to work. as of now we keep trying the same thing expecting deferent results.

 

[The Old Master]

Yeah our defense has been fine for a couple games now.

wouldn't go that far. but they have been playing over their heads

 

[MartinS82]

I watch the Rangers and after about 25 seconds I see what they are trying to accomplish - Zibenajad on the off angle one timer/Fox with the screen shot from the top of them umbrella/Panarin with the one timer from the right circle (after moving the puck low). These are all basic plays that they will use based on what the PK is giving them. Teams need to have an idea of what they are trying to do once they set up. My Peewee teams have an idea of what they are trying to do (give it to the kid with the huge shot and crash the net).

After watching them the last 2 years since Kessel left, what is the Pens basic plan, what are they trying to set up? I still can't even figure that out.

 

[Angrrus]

when we see them try some deferent things and it continues not to work. as of now we keep trying the same thing expecting deferent results.

We don't know what is being said in video sessions and practises. We only see the excecution on the ice, or lack thereof.

If they sabotage what the coaches are saying, we won't see what is being tried in the first place.

 

[The Old Master]

We don't know what is being said in video sessions and practises. We only see the excecution on the ice, or lack thereof.

If they sabotage what the coaches are saying, we won't see what is being tried in the first place.

then the coach goes to the gm and he fixes it. ether the players go or the coach.

 

[Gurglesons]

Firing the coach won't do anything if the stars are playing like shit. Look at what is going on with their powerplay, they fired Recchi because their poweprlay sucked and now it still sucks with Rierden. Which is more likely, that they just keep hiring bad PP coaches or the players on the PP are bad at it? The coaching staff can't control guys like Crosby and Malkin every second. You can't just keep firing coaches because your stars aren't getting it done like they're paid to get it done, especially considering they've already lost their GM this year.

I can see Sullivan getting fired after the year, but there's not a chance that they fire him now and firing him now would very likely solve nothing. The problems of this team right now fall squarely on the big guns, and firing the coach won't solve those problems. You can have Scotty Bowman as the coach on this team and it wouldn't matter if the big guns keep playing like this.

Malkin and Crosby have both generally done nothing at 5v5 this year. Guentzel still looks like he's afraid of going into the dirty areas due to his injury last year. Letang has been a no-show offensively this year. The big guns on the powerplay are continuously trying to do the same stuff that worked 5 years ago, despite it not being able to work now due to the age of the big guns and the loss of Hornqvist and Kessel. Those are all problems with a group of about 4-6 players, and if you don't fix those issues, literally no other moves you make matter.

I disagree. The PP and PK are things that the coaching staff is responsible for. They are both in the bottom ten of the league.

 

[Angrrus]

Yeah, that was the only one of 6 powerplays where Geno moved his feet and did something right. The other 5, he was a poison. Then again, it´s not just him, even if he plays it right it still sucks because nobody is good there. It´s just that Geno was the most noticeable in these bad powerplays tonight. There are games when it is Letang. There are games where it is Sid. Geno was the biggest poison tonight but they would not have scored anyway. It´s that bad. What´s sad that actually 5vs5 Geno and Sid were doing fine. Maybe more than fine. But that PP is a killer.

Well I feel relieved to find out ther were doing fine at 5 on 5. Can't remember though how many they scored at 5 on 5. Will you assist me?

 

[Gurglesons]

Well I feel relieved to find out ther were doing fine at 5 on 5. Can't remember though how many they scored at 5 on 5. Will you assist me?

We aren't doing so hot 5v5 either at least when compared to our division.

Our xGF% is pretty good, but WAS particularly always outscores their expected numbers.

 

[Angrrus]

We aren't doing so hot 5v5 either at least when compared to our division.

I agree. I was being sarcastic.

 

[Big Poppa Pump]

It sucked last year when he was on the team, too.

It doesn't matter who is in front of the net, when you don't fire pucks on goal.......

 

[HandshakeLine]

I disagree. The PP and PK are things that the coaching staff is responsible for. They are both in the bottom ten of the league.

Explicitly so. If Sullivan or Reirden are so deferential to our stars who are assing up the special teams, then they should rightly be fired. How is this even a thing we have to point out?

I may be a simple country lawyer, yer honor, but I've always believed that coaches should bah gawd, coach.

 

[Angrrus]

Coaching is why this PP is horrible, you're coach, you got to find the 5 guys that can click at least once in 18 attempts. Scream in someone's ear, bench someone, find someone in two years to command that PP...practice...ask them to move, if dman press have Sid run from behind have your guy inside get open ....its not like there are no tapes on successful PPs, heck Rangers were moving the puck faster...if its sid and geno than don't play sid and geno

He can't not play Sid and Geno. Then he'll have a lot bigger problem on his hands. See: Tortorella, John; Dubois, Pierre-Luc.

 

[Sidgeni Malkby]

Or amazingly caring and dedicated star players, who heed every word out of PP coach's mouth.

I remember distinctly Sullivan talking about the PP last year to move around more, and for Malkin to play roamer.

Sure, maybe the players are idiots but when I see Malkin on the left point 5 feet away from PO, I wonder why.

Stay in your area and move maybe 10-20 feet to create space for yourself or create a lane. You let the 5-4 advantage take care of the rest.

The Pens 6-5 in the last 2 min was actually better executed than their PP.

 

[Rakell67]

I watch the Rangers and after about 25 seconds I see what they are trying to accomplish - Zibenajad on the off angle one timer/Fox with the screen shot from the top of them umbrella/Panarin with the one timer from the right circle (after moving the puck low). These are all basic plays that they will use based on what the PK is giving them. Teams need to have an idea of what they are trying to do once they set up. My Peewee teams have an idea of what they are trying to do (give it to the kid with the huge shot and crash the net).

After watching them the last 2 years since Kessel left, what is the Pens basic plan, what are they trying to set up? I still can't even figure that out.

It appears they think it’s beneficial to attempt cross ice passes through 3 opponents or possibly attempt injury by shooting pucks into opponents shins. My best guess.

 

[CascadiaPenguin]

He can't not play Sid and Geno. Then he'll have a lot bigger problem on his hands. See: Tortorella, John; Dubois, Pierre-Luc.

How was that such a problem? Torts didn't lose the locker room, and PLD looked like a bit of a dick and even apologized for the quality of his play. CBJ did rather nicely in the trade as well.