We don't deserve the playoffs with how our top players have been performing so far.
Post-Game Talk: Rangers 3, Penguins 1 - One Word for This Powerplay
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We don't deserve the playoffs with how our top players have been performing so far.
They didn't exactly set the world pn fire 5-on-5 either.
Overall lazy uninterested effort from our top paid players. Pathetic.
Sir, you are one of (very) few reasonable people in the Pens fanbase.
Hats off to you.
They'd have to do it.
But if they did it - they would've antagonize these self absorbed primadonnas completely, and they would go into a full tank mode and wold've started tanking HC, assistant coaches, the whole front office and a parking lot janitor too. Not gonna happen.
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BHD
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Dipsy Doodle
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Anyone who cares about correctly identifying problems on the team, probably.
You're misrepresenting my argument. I never said teams couldn't lose major pieces to their powerplay and still succeed. Of course they can.
I said that this team needed a skilled RH shot to open up the ice for LH shot stars and a good net front presence, and our clear and immediate decline after each of these losses is proof of that.
Just don't pretend to be shocked and look everywhere except right in front of you if they make no personnel changes and still stink up the joint with the man advantage. This shit hasn't gotten better in a year, and only got worse after Hornqvist left. It's not getting better without reinforcements to address their patently obvious shortcomings.
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This was the first game where they looked fluid skating wise and effort from all. Even in a loss, that's the most promising thing I can take away. One hiccup by Ruhwedel DOG-OTG penalty. Not taking the man in front is the issue on the PK. Kreider had nobody to detract him. It was a great tip by him. The Pens were on a real down swing at that point. The PP obviously was bad, and the turnovers are more a problem than the actual PP itself. *GENO*
Maybe the loss is just a giant leap forward since they looked like they cared? I hope so....
Maybe the loss is just a giant leap forward since they looked like they cared? I hope so....
Ya Know I don't think there are any ways to reinvent the wheel, same way about hockey & when your best players are tanking, there is NOTHING a coaching staff can do
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EightyOne
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Rangers fan here, I come in peace, I just wanted to share this, did anyone notice Sid and Adam Fox laughing together during the Howden - Kapanen fight? Are they friends in real life?
Fox probably said, hey sid, ya wanna go, eh?
This team has a goal differential of +3 in 62:30 minutes of powerplay time. They scored 4 goals in 61:27 minutes of 5 vs 4.
In 52:08 minutes of shorthanded time, they are -8 with 9GA in total.
With how close those games have been, that just kills any team. 5vs5 we are fine in my opinion. We give up too many high danger scoring chances, but even if we get to average level there we should be more than fine 5 on 5. But with those special teams, especially given the fact that the PP does not only not score, they are actually creating 0 momentum for us, it will be pretty hard to get into playoffs
In 52:08 minutes of shorthanded time, they are -8 with 9GA in total.
With how close those games have been, that just kills any team. 5vs5 we are fine in my opinion. We give up too many high danger scoring chances, but even if we get to average level there we should be more than fine 5 on 5. But with those special teams, especially given the fact that the PP does not only not score, they are actually creating 0 momentum for us, it will be pretty hard to get into playoffs
Empoleon8771
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I know I've beaten the Sullivan thing to a dead horse, but I really feel it's needed to emphasize that the Penguins are only "the powerplay and PK stop sucking" or "Crosby and Malkin start producing" away from being right on the level of Washington and Boston.
Are there problems with the team? Of course. But this team is better than what their record and goal differential indicates. Right now, they're a decently good analytical team (probably a low seed playoff team, in the 10-15 range in the NHL) with terrible special teams, bad goaltending (on the overall, DeSmith was very good last night) and bad top-6 production. It looks like the goaltending is rounding back into form after that horrid Flyers series, but this team really just needs to fix its special teams and top-6 for it to be a contender. And to me, that falls on the big guys (Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel and Letang mainly) more than the coaches.
If the defense ever gets healthy, it looks really good with the addition of POJ and the improvement of Pettersson. That's even with Dumoulin's early season struggles. The 3rd line of McCann-Blueger-Tanev is an absolutely great defensive 3rd line, and Blueger has been very productive on the year overall. The 4th line is kinda bland, especially with Jankowski cooling off, but you have a bunch of options that can make it work. The goaltending is rounding back into at least fine form. It falls on the big guys to hold up their end of the bargain now.
Are there problems with the team? Of course. But this team is better than what their record and goal differential indicates. Right now, they're a decently good analytical team (probably a low seed playoff team, in the 10-15 range in the NHL) with terrible special teams, bad goaltending (on the overall, DeSmith was very good last night) and bad top-6 production. It looks like the goaltending is rounding back into form after that horrid Flyers series, but this team really just needs to fix its special teams and top-6 for it to be a contender. And to me, that falls on the big guys (Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel and Letang mainly) more than the coaches.
If the defense ever gets healthy, it looks really good with the addition of POJ and the improvement of Pettersson. That's even with Dumoulin's early season struggles. The 3rd line of McCann-Blueger-Tanev is an absolutely great defensive 3rd line, and Blueger has been very productive on the year overall. The 4th line is kinda bland, especially with Jankowski cooling off, but you have a bunch of options that can make it work. The goaltending is rounding back into at least fine form. It falls on the big guys to hold up their end of the bargain now.
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This power play is absolutely embarrassing, it's one thing not to score but to not even generate any momentum? Why do we even play POJ and Marino there, we need them in defense and since we ain't gonna score, might as well put Weber or some other scrub. Geno on the point was a dumb idea when he was younger and faster but it worked from time to time because PP1 has too much talent not to. It can't get away with pure talent any more especially if nobody f***ing moves. If you are not going to move, put O'Connor/Zucker in front of the goalie and shoot from everywhere, can't be any worse than this abomination.
Also, line 1 is doing the usual thing it does when Rust is with Sid - they look great for a game or two then they go ice cold. Still 5 on 5, we were fine all things considered. Such a dumb way to lose, especially when the next games are postponed. If this hasn't happened many times in the past few years, I would say the postponed games would be a chance to learn from our mistakes but with Sully being Sully, I really wouldn't count on it.
Also, line 1 is doing the usual thing it does when Rust is with Sid - they look great for a game or two then they go ice cold. Still 5 on 5, we were fine all things considered. Such a dumb way to lose, especially when the next games are postponed. If this hasn't happened many times in the past few years, I would say the postponed games would be a chance to learn from our mistakes but with Sully being Sully, I really wouldn't count on it.
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@Empoleon8771 Absolutely. This team is going to have it's moments when the entire taxi squad is in the lineup. So you have to be prepared for that. Sid has to be better, though. He still looks way too casual out there.
The team - collectively - played well enough, but didn't get the knock out punch from their leader. Because if it's a normal regular season, I think you're satisfied if they manage to score on the PP while playing a road game like that.
The team - collectively - played well enough, but didn't get the knock out punch from their leader. Because if it's a normal regular season, I think you're satisfied if they manage to score on the PP while playing a road game like that.
counterpoint negative take: we played about as well as we could 5 on 5, we actually played our best game defensively, we drew a lot of penalties and had good opportunities to score, we got really solid goal tending for once, and we played one of the weaker teams in our division—and we still f**king lost! Not a good sign...
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we got a couple fluky goals (like goalie mistake) that were on the PP but it was nothing our players did...the PP is actually worse than the numbers would suggest
pistolpete11
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the bolded aren't coincidences. It's almost like when you play better defensively, your goalie looks better. Whodathunkit?
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True. The situation with the pick is really a game changer. Hopefully it pushes them to quicker action.
Plus, we're coming up on Disco Dan levels of post-cup latitude for Sullivan. Bylsma got five freaking seasons after the 2009 cup, and in that time the best years of our core players were lost playing with waiver fodder "keeping the band together" despite the clear flaws the team had. If Mario and ownership have learned anything from that, they should be even quicker to make a change now that Sid and G are 33+ and not 25 anymore.
Sully's had 3 years to replicate the form of those cup winning teams. Only in the first season did we look like a real post season contender. Things are on a clear trajectory, just as they were with Shero/Bylsma IMO
Icarium
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In other news, Guentzel is -8, Cici is +1 while Geno has zero PIM. Really weird season, man. 
NO Sully hasn't become stupid, Sid, Geno & Letang very well might have tuned him out. But he hasn't become a moron
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It’s kind of obvious that their PP is the key to their season.
If it doesn’t get fixed, I see zero chance they make the playoffs and then give the Wild a high pick... and we all get angry.
Or they fix the PP and just make the playoffs.
If this PP stays this putrid for the entire season, it’s going to cost them a swing of at least 15-20 points in the standings and that will be their death kneel.
