OT: Raise the Jolly Roger: Fire Sale Edition?

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  1. Scandale du Jour

    Scandale du Jour JordanStaal#1Fan

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    Jordan Lyles is gone, who's next?

    Continue!

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    McRae is starting tonight. No surprise, but that's a surprising extra-incentive not to watch.
     
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    Winger for Hire Praise Beebo

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    Trade one down and successful.

    At least 3 more to go (Dickerson, Melky, Kang)
     
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    Ponce makes a decent amount of sense, but with him being rule 5 eligible, I hope he'll be a September callup at least. Seems to have some upward momentum in a relative way. He and Stratton might form a decent long-man/middle relief tandem.
     
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    Thank God. Hopefully that means Keller will be up in a few days
     
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    I would like to point out that I wanted the Pirates to take him in the Rule 5 draft last winter.

    From my post-

    I would like to see the Pirates take a chance on picking up Cody Ponce in the Rule 5 draft. I think he could work very well in a multi-inning reliever role. He's a big frame pitcher (6'6", 250ish). He had a one year hiccup in AA last year when his walks got out of control a bit as a stater and got bumped to the pen. He was working on holding back his stuff to help him go deeper into games, so I think he is a good candidate for a Hader-ish role with an eye on working him into a starter eventually with side work and such to tighten up his curve and refine his change as well as balancing his control and velocity.

    I can envision him as a 2-3 inning guy right now (which is helpful as a Rule 5 guy) with an eye on molding him into a mid/back-end starter. He has a starter's arsenal- mid 90's heater, cutter that handles lefties well, a curve that needs tightening but has been at least an average offering, and a change that is too firm most of the time but throws with the same arm action as his fastball. All the pitches he throws for strikes.

    He might complicate/overcrowd the bullpen, but I really like the stuff the kid has shown when he's been right.
     
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    I'll be sad when they trade Melky. It is the right move, it is just that I really like Melky.
     
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    They can always sign him again in the offseason.
     
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    I think going after pitchers when you trade these meh rentals is the way to go.

    A 40 grade pitching prospect even a lower ceiling one can still be a valuable reliever in the future.

    A 40 grade hitter is rather meh.
     
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    Just that excerpt has me face palming
     
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    Osuna with back to back starts. Curious to see how Reynolds does not in the 2-spot
     
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    And of course wait until Newman hits a slump to get him back into the leadoff spot, the spot he was dominating in, and should never have been removed from in the first ****ing place.

    Glad we got at least a flier for Lyles. I'd have taken a week's worth of ICL for that clown.
     
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    I actually like Reynolds hitting 5th. He has at least as much power as Moran and unlike Moran, he doesn't need to completely reach the wall in order to get a double. His speed is not quite a threat out of the #2 spot. Goes without saying, but plugging Lux in there would be perfect.

    Although, here's a somewhat depressing thought: I imagine that if we acquired Lux, we might keep him in AAA until at least September. I don't really know if that would affect his service clock that much, but it occurred to me earlier today.
     
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    If the did somehow get Lux they should keep him in AAA until next May **** September
     
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    With McRae starting, the relief guys are sure to get plenty of opportunities
     
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    Yeah, that's probably exactly what would happen. (as well as probably what the Dodgers are doing)
     
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    Perfect news. Wait til the deadline and see if he caves.
     
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    With an ownership that isn't ****ing blatantly ****ing stupid, we could be a contender.

    Seriously could be.


    Won't be.
     
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    Probably means they'll go for someone who won't cost Lux
     
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    Which side? :naughty:
     
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    I don't blame Friedman for bogging down. Lux is elite and Huntington has been fleeced before. History shows Neal will break before Friedman does.

    But that's exactly what the Pirates should be doing. And the Dodgers don't need Lux to win a WS. Vasquez is much more valuable to them given their past history. I'd keep telling Friedman that. Chapman pulled Gleybar Torres. If you don't think Felipe is worth Lux get the **** on and go find a lesser option.
     
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    It depends. Based on performance, Giles is just about as good as a high leverage option at least this year, but nobody is coming cheap. Maybe he decides to offer up Ruiz strait up, or they send a few players from lower down their list and try to get Garrett. That's what I think I'd want to see the Dodgers do if I were a fan: get Garrett and make him even better.

    But none of that gives them what they need for the playoffs, which is a dominant LHP. I imagine if you go back to the Chapman to Chicago rumors, Cubs fans would have been adamant that Torres was going nowhere.
     
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    And to be clear, if Lux isn't coming back you better, at a minimum be bringing back Ruiz, May and Gray/Peters (i prefer pitching). Minimum.
     
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    I understand why people have reservations about NH given his history, but he really does have all the leverage in this situation. If Friedman won't put together the most competitive package, he can threaten to trade him to Atlanta, which would be a pretty harrowing prospect given where Atlanta is heading, especially if they finally spend some real money this winter.

    The Cole trade was muddled because his value was trending below his stuff. Vazquez, given his contract, is the premier reliever in baseball right now, and there really is not a lot that separates him from anybody in terms of this season performance. It's literally the same situation as when Chapman was traded except he has 4 more years of control.
     
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