Euro: R16: Italy vs. Spain, 6/27/2016

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  1. helicecopter

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    meant from that point onward.

    cause I don't watch much soccer anymore..

    it's kind of surreal for me watching a few of these Euro games and hearing for the first time so many new names lol (Portugal the other day vs Croatia was a stunning example)
     
  2. Vipers31

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    Yeah, feels that way to me, as well.

    History stops me from believing in an easy game or a sure thing, but I'm definitely optimistic this spell will come to on end on Saturday.
     
  3. helicecopter

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    if Italy somehow survives Germany once again, it will be a 50-50 game at best for them vs France at home

    lol how so?
     
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    Italy also rarely comes out and plays two massive games back to back.

    In a lot of ways I feel like today's "Italy vs Spain" was kind of Italy's final. Spain has been their curse the past 8 years and they finally overcame it.
     
  5. TheMoreYouKnow

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    Italy is the only team in the tournament to have beaten two good sides in Belgium and Spain. Games aren't played on paper and I see no reason to believe Germany have an easier opponent this year than they had 4 years ago or 10 years ago. But beating them won't come down to how good Italy are but what Germany's level of play is and whether they have gained an understanding of how Italians play football and know how to counter it.
     
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    Can't say they've inspired me confidence.

    But DD is called "lucky DD" in football circles. He's a guy that has always had luck with him throughout his career as a player and coach. And so far, the draw has been extremely kind. They won't face a top team before the semis. Even there, they might frace Italy, who is a long time good fit for us.

    Then again, we could be out next match, as I said.
     
  7. les Habs

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    Deserved win for Italy in what was somewhat a tale of two halves. They had a very good first half. The big difference for me was the work rate that half as Italy just worked harder. Tactically they did a great job of making Spain struggle to get the ball out of their own half. Rather than press the Spanish CBs they let them have the ball and cut out the Spanish midfielders and backs leaving few options bar hoofing it forward. Of course Spanish players played into all of that by not moving to the ball when they needed to and also not making any runs.

    Once again del Bosque sticks to "the plan" which clearly wasn't working before the match. Again the right side of Spain was lacking as Silva continually played anywhere but out on the right and Juanfran can't do the job alone much less with a wide player. If you really need to play Silva so bad and he's not going to provide any width then just replace Fabregas with him. Then later on when del Bosque brought on Vazquez and Pedro you actually had players getting forward. Anyway, just shocked that he didn't sub on Bruno.

    It'll be interesting to see what Conte does with Chelsea. He seems to have some players who won't fit in so well tactically if he employs this formation.

    It was and it was not even in the box. He held up play really well on a couple of plays too.

    Glad to see someone else noticed this. Other players need to drop back and help out by nobody was.

    I certainly can't. Someone will probably pay over the odds for him and Madrid will put that towards somebody like Pogba.

    I know you somewhat recanted on this, but the ref was awful. He was particularly awful in the second half. He didn't favor either team as his decisions affected both equally. I think he let too much go and we were lucky not to see an injury. Well we actually did though I'm not sure it's down to the play the ref missed. Anyway, just awful work from the ref.

    Hilarious commentary in general but especially during this match.

    Or must be that Vazquez got purposely hit in the face by Motta. Vazquez kicked out at Motta and missed during that exchange, but Motta clearly hit him in the face. Funny your boy Ramos was nowhere to be seen. Not as funny as you failing to mention him *****ing at the ref.

    :help:

    Dani Darvajal, starting RB in HF Boards' Overrated XI.

    Up the pitch trying to score. Did you watch the match? You do understand that it was the 91st minute and Spain needed to score a goal to stay alive right? You did see Pique with one of the best efforts for Spain in this match right? You do know that he scored for Spain already in this tournament right? Do you know that he has nine goals as a CB in the last two seasons? While he had time to get back on that play it's obvious where on earth he was and had he gone back he'd then have to have had to march up the pitch again.

    He's not a very good manager and it should definitely be the end of him. The fact that he continued after the last WC was bad enough.

    I get that. As with everything it can get boring at times. You should post more though if you do.
     
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    I presume that explains Ramos' impression of #2 on the first goal here in getting back too. It probably says a lot that when trying to desperately get a goal in the last minute that Spain are throwing their centre-halves up while a guy moaning about not getting played (and who was hailed as an all-conquering Premier League Player by Danny Murphy, that was funny) is stuck defending.

    I should also add that given Pique's performance on the first goal and Spain bringing on a boy with two caps and no goals to chase the game at the end that maybe they should leave him up front. Makes nine goals in two years seem like a decent record.
     
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    according to AS, Caparros to replace VDB...yikes if true
     
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    Well VDB was **** to begin with, so....
     
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    Really poor job of editing the first time round. I've helped you out though, albeit not enough as I've left something to quote.

    Pique's performance on the first goal? You mean where Ramos gave up the free kick, on a poor challenge according to the commentary I had btw, which resulted in the goal? Or do you mean de Gea only being able to do so much despite having a clear line of sight to the shot? Or perhaps you're referring to Pique being the only Spanish player to react to the rebound while the rest of his teammates literally stand and watch? Nothing about Pique's performance on that goal suggests that he should have been up front.

    What does Vazquez have to do with it? Oh yeah, nothing. For the record though he wasn't that bad and he provided the width that I've been saying has been lacking for how long now.
     
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    I definitely thought guys like Busquets, Pique and Alba were the worst culprits against Italy. They really let the team down and I think are showing to be past it at this point. Without prime Xavi/Iniesta Spain is a bit lame. They can't defend that well, and they have no real penetration. Time for them to retool and bring in the new generation of players and move away from the style of play that originated from their strong Barca core who are no longer able to lead them to much success.

    They have a lot of good young players coming up though, and were outcoached, so they'll bounce back fairly quickly.
     
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    In fairness, it was obvious that part of Italy's game plan was to cut off Busquets from the rest of the team and not allow him to distribute properly from the back, they ramped up the pressure on him whenever he was to be involved in the play.
     
  16. les Habs

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    :help:

    Alba for sure, but Pique and Busquets? No, especially regarding Pique. Ramos for example was again, as has been the case all tournament, notably worse. In the past it was Ramos outperforming Pique for Spain, but that wasn't remotely the case in this tournament much less this match. Ramos made a poor foul which led to the free kick which led to the first goal. On Eder's breakaway (where Eder probably should have done better) it was Ramos that Eder blew past. Anyway, calling Pique and Busquets the worst culprits when you have the peformances of Nolito, Morata, Ramos, Juanfran and perhaps Cesc is just wrong. They didn't have great matches themselves, there were players who were notably worse.

    Past it? Alba is still very clearly a top LB. Pique is one of the top 3 CBs in the game who not only has had back-to-back amazing seasons but who also had an excellent tournament. Busquets is the best DM in the game with but one peer at the moment and is one of the best midfielders in the World. None of them are remotely past it and preposterous to even suggest so.

    Spain's lack of penetration has little to do with Iniesta and Xavi. They lack and/or fail to select the appropriate attacking players. Morata didn't do too much. Nolito while penetrating is only so good. Silva is barely penetrating player and even when he has a chance he looks to pass. Spain's biggest opportunity isn't in midfield or defense. They need better attacking players and striker in particular is a position they'll need to sort out.

    Yes, and not just Busquets. Like I said, Italy were generally comfortable allowing Ramos and Pique to have the ball because they cut out all the passing lanes. All three midfielders along with the backs should have come back more to get the ball and del Bosque should have sorted this out immediately.
     
  17. Wee Baby Seamus

    Wee Baby Seamus Yo, Goober, where's the meat?

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    Les Habs, who is the Busquets peer at DM you're thinking of? Alaba?
     
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    Ramos was awful
     
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    Kante. I think he has some more proving to do, but I like what I've seen.
     
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    at least he's won everything. Caparros has a losing record in La Liga : (
     

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