Euro: R16: Iceland vs. England, 6/27/2016

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  1. BSHH

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    Neither England nor the UK have left the EU in any way. Instead of describing what must be your phantom feelings, you better find someone to explain Article 50 (2) of the Lisbon Treaty to you.

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  2. TheMoreYouKnow

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    England had a good qualifying campaign, they won in Berlin vs Germany, they seemed to have a few good young players coming up like Delle Alli or Kane. I think with England people see the fact it's got one of the best leagues, a pretty large population of footballers and massive resources as a sign that they can 'come back' at any minute.

    There's the assumption that they would learn from previous disappointments and make sure they don't repeat their mistakes because that's the obvious assumption to make when one isn't intimately familiar with the dysfunctional nature of an organization.
     
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    Gareth Southgate?

    My only memory of him as a player is going to a game at Villa Park when I was about 10 and learning a new word that the Villa fans were chanting at him
     
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  5. Siamese Dream

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    Gazza for next manager IMO
     
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    MoyesIn ???
     
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    England had an easy qualifying group though so qualifying was never really in doubt for them.
     
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    The thing that pisses me off is that the FA can make changes to improve our team/players going forward but they refuse to do it and pander to the elite instead.
     
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    I'm sure like just after the World Cup there will be talks of cutting out foreign players in the Premiership, which will then be completely forgotten about in August until the next failure at a major tournamrnt
     
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    tbf it will be harder to have Johnny Foreigner ruining things out of the EU

    Wonder what the excuse can be after that
     
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    I hope that traitor Aron Johannsson is enjoying his stint with the USMNT.
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    Partially all of the above, I'd say.

    England simply isn't a top notch nation from a talent standpoint, I'd say they're reasonably in the 2nd grouping of nations from a pure talent level. However many English fans, and a non-trivial part of the English media see no reason why they shouldn't be on par with the elites.

    That causes issues where a manager is almost doomed to "underacheive" unless he makes a Cinderella run which likely turns some of the top minds away from the post. It also prevent England from running tactics that would help them more. They simply can't run the possession game of Spain or Germany.

    On top of that the FA is full of a bunch of egos that want to have their hands in everything, which certainly doesn't help.

    Hodgson certainly isn't free of blame. His tactics and team selection were hilariously awful, with the two seemingly having no impact on each other. When the team needed a calm figure in the first match, he subbed out Rooney, but when they desperately needed youthful drive he waited until there were only a couple minutes left to take him off and bring on Rashford even despite Rooney having one of the worst games of his life.

    Yes going out against Iceland is an embarrassment, but England should have never been considered much more than a 1/4 finalist based on talent.
     
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    After voting to leave. Better?
     
  17. TheMoreYouKnow

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    Germany certainly had their dark moments as well. Just at big tournaments, one can think of the ugliness of the Euro 2000 group stage which ended without a single win and a 3-0 demolition at the hands of a reserve Portugal in the final group game. The anemic 0-0 draw vs Latvia in 2004 in the group stage. In between there were little humiliations like the 1-5 in Romania in 2004, a 0-2 vs a then terrible Hungary in the same year, draws against Iceland and Lithuania in 2003 in qualifying, a defeat at Wales in 2002, two (very lucky) draws with Finland in 2001, two losses vs the U.S. in 1999, a 2-1 win vs Malta in 1998 which essentially led to Berti Vogts' firing in spite of being a win.

    Point being that in like 1998-2004 it would have been a fair thing to say Germany doesn't have the talent to play with the big boys and it was indeed said. But in 2004 the Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Podolski generation emerged and it wasn't more than a handful years later the rest of the World Cup winning core emerged.

    There would be no natural reason why England couldn't somewhat replicate that if you consider the quantity of youth players England can produce which is at least on par with the likes of Italy and France and well beyond the Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal etc.

    Of course, they would need to make major changes to realize that potential and really that's the issue. People get angry at the England team but fast forward a week and it's all about United and Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal. The sort of inquiries that should be held aren't held because at the end of the day business is good and the national team isn't needed to help with that. The national team simply doesn't have the same priority that it has in many other countries.
     
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    Yep, wait until transfer deadline day and all this will be forgotten as Sky hype another "record breaking day!" as numerous foreign players come in to the league
     
  19. Uncle Rotter

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    Except for the fact they made a World Cup Final in that period.
     
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    Iceland were 2nd in qualifying, they would have had a good shot at making a 16 team tournament.
     
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    That team had a lucky draw and lucky bounces to get to that point. The road of Saudi Arabia, Cameroon, Ireland, Paraguay, USA and South Korea doesn't normally take you to a World Cup Final and it's not like Germany really convinced in those matches either. That final was a massive distortion of the real situation. Lackluster wins against meh competition were pretty standard for Germany of that era and that team simply didn't run into into anyone better until the Final.
     
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    @BeWarmers: WOW: The Wales squad when England lost to Iceland...
    https://t.co/SatN85w9oO

    Doesn't work on official Twitter but does on 3rd party clients... Weird
     
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    Never change England.
     
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    More like being a Maple Leaf fan
     
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    He even threw his trademark smirk in there.

    @NJDevs
     

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