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  1. Hire Sather

    Hire Sather Don't punt seasons

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    Ive always wondered this.

    Lets say. Alexander Ovechkin.. lock for #1 in the draft idles the detriot redwings his whole life and wats to be a Wing.

    Is he allowed to not enter a draft and sign a contract with the wings?
     
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    He's allowed to not enter a draft. All players have to enter the draft by sending the NHL their draft papers.

    However, he is not allowed to sign a contract with the Wings because all European players have to be drafted first in order to sign a contract. Even guys who are like 32 years old and have played in the Euro leagues their whole life. A Team would have to draft that player first and then sign him.
     
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    He could let himself be drafted then 1 month later take his "retirement" and finally sign with the wings?!?

    Or he could say i will never play/sign for anyone except the wings so a team vould draft him and try to trade him to the wings but his value would be low cause the wings would know they are the only team that the player would go...
     
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    Hire Sather Don't punt seasons

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    What about an American player?
     
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    Same.
     
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    I know that something like 6 years ago the leafs tried to sign Mattias Ohlund but the nuck equald that offer, how did that appen?

    Also it's possible for some player from NA under 21 to become ufas. Just look at players like Van Ryn, Comrie and McLeod (?). But I don't know exactly how they are eligible... I think they have to be born in the month of november and have to pass there first year of elegibility and one year after they're drafted they can sign with any team... Also MA Fleury could have been a ufa after this season if he adn't signed with the pens (not sure).

    Could someone else give some more exact info on those cases..
     
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    No he couldn't.
     
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    You can become UFA if you are undrafted...meaning you are passed over completely in the entry draft, or if you go unsigned for 2 years after being drafted.

    Exceptions to this are European players and prospects in college.
     
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    kingsfan Yes my liege!

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    You are allowed to pass over the draft in your first year of eligibility. In your second year, you are made available regardless of if you opt-in or not. That is why College punishes kids who opt-in at 18, but not 19. The kid has a choice at 18, but not 19. Ovechkin can't slip through the draft. He can refuse to sign, but he'll remain property of whoever drafts him since he is a european player.
     
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    No. If you are unsigned 2 years after you are drafted, you just go back in the draft again. You do not become a UFA. Just like Stoll and Wanvig did.

    For Europeans it is the same story except for them it is 4 years instead of 2.

    If players could just sign wherever they wanted, certain teams (poor, small market teams and boring cities) would be at a total disadvantage. Like Buffalo, Nashville, and Pittsburgh. ;)
     
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    kingsfan Yes my liege!

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    SOME drafted players go back in after 2 years. Stoll/Wanvig went back in. McLeod id not. It has to do with age and junior eligiblity. If you still have junior eligiblity, you go back into the draft. If not, you are a UFA. As for Euro's being UFA after 4 years, that's incorrect. They are the teams property until the age of 31 I believe.
     
  12. Hire Sather

    Hire Sather Don't punt seasons

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    Yeah.. thats why I was just making sure :)
     
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    They might become RFA's after 4 years (and I think that's the case) but they certainly don't become UFA's. However the could become UFA's basically how every prospect does it. If for example the Sedins (who had late birthdates) had gone to the CHL and played junior then 2 years later they would have been UFA's because they were too old to re-enter the draft and would have counted as defected players.
     
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    Correct. He would have had to wait 2 years to become a UFA.
     
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    Wath if you don't opt-in in your first year of eligiblity and then the next year you get drafted but you don't sign with the team for the 2 next years, do you becaume a ufa? Or can you just becaume ufa if you have a late birthdates?
     
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