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[Dryden]

What happens if a player decides to take the year off and not play hockey anywhere or if a player hasn't signed with a NHL team? ie Stevens....Is he removed from the team or allowed to play anyhow like Deadmarsh and Allison?

Also, when is the deadline date for players to be removed from rosters if they decide to play in Europe or retire?

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[Donga]

From my understanding,

What happens if a player decides to take the year off and not play hockey anywhere or if a player hasn't signed with a NHL team? ie Stevens....Is he removed from the team or allowed to play anyhow like Deadmarsh and Allison?

They are not removed until their contracts have expired. This is because they haven't retired or gone to Europe. Plus their ratings SHOULD drop with each passing year.

Otherwise, Not unless Matt tells me to get rid of these players before contracts are up, I won't do it.

Also, when is the deadline date for players to be removed from rosters if they decide to play in Europe or retire?

There is. I forget when. I am pretty sure someone knows the answer.

 

[Hossa]

Also, when is the deadline date for players to be removed from rosters if they decide to play in Europe or retire?

I don't know the deadline, but I do think the european rule may have to be re-evaluated. For example, if the deadline was today, Pavel Datsyuk would have to be designated in Europe. There were suggestions Kovalchuk would do the same. I know it's similar to what we dealt with last year, when we thought we'd have a season, but it shouldn't be as big a deal now. Just a matter of getting things straight.

This is just a random suggestion, but has the idea of scrapping the European player rule ever been explored. It could basically be treated as a year off, with the overall ratings falling each year a player's in Europe. I've just always found it weird to take a player away from a team if they're in Europe, whereas AHL players can have a rating. Just something to ponder I guess.

 

[kasper11]

Sean -- I believe the rule applies only to players that do not have an escape clause in their contract. Players that are ineligible to play in the NHL in a given season will be ineligible in the HFNHL as well.

 

[Ohio Jones]

The cut off is October 1st. Stevens is now officially retired (with Damphousse about to follow, it seems), so he will be removed from the HFNHL based on current rules.

However, it's been suggested w review two related rules: one, the forced removal of players who retire could be deferred by on eyear to reflect that those players don't make an appearance in the HFNHL until a year after they appear in the NHL, effectively shortening their careers by one year. Also, the European rule could be reexamined.

We'll discuss options with the admin team and see whether a fair and reasonable alternative can be reached that doesn't overload us with work, but gives teams fair access to their players.

(EDIT: I should add that even if changes are made, depending on the change we may not be able to implement it for the 05/06 season, since teams have already made moves and changes based on the status quo... we'll see what makes the most sense.)

 

[HFNHL Red Wings]

Surprisingly, despite the year off, this years crop of retirees and european bound players isn't that much more than would be expected in a regular season and, as usual, most of the guys headed to Europe are fringe players anyway.. The one's that I'm aware of are as follows (add anything I've missed):

Retired:
Scott Stevens
Roman Turek
Marc Bergevin
Al MacInnis (probable - despite saying he is, he has not signed his retirement papers)
Vincent Damphousse

Europe:
Stanislav Chistov
Alexei Smirnov
Yannick Tremblay
Igor Korolev
Deron Quint
Jamie Wright
Karl Dykhuis
Jiri Bicek
Kenny Jonsson
Jan Hlavac
Radovan Somik
Marcus Ragnarson
Mathias Timander
Neil Little
Jeff Finley
Trevor Kidd
Harold Druken
Pierre Hedin
Pavel Datsyuk (probable - latest report out of Detroit is that there is no 'out' clause)

Career ending injury candidates:
Pasi Nurminen
Adam Deadmarsh (despite his claim of relative health it's rumoured he has been checked out by a couple of teams that were considering signing him and well, let's just say he's still unsigned. Not good.)
Dan Blackburn (A report today says that even after over a year of recovery he was at practise wearing two blockers on the injured arm)

 

[Brock]

The one's that I'm aware of are as follows (add anything I've missed):

The HF Free Agent/Trade Rumours board has an excellent stickied post that has up to date tracking of the players leaving for Europe.

Definitely the source we should use if we do decide to take these players off the rosters.

I personally have like 6 guys off my roster gone to Europe, but as you said they are all pretty much fringe NHL'ers anyway.

 

[Donga]

This is the list that I currently have... but credit goes to Ville for doing this and keeping me up to date.

BUF:
-Stanislav Chistov (ANA->RSL)

PIT:
-Christian Berglund (NJ->Rapperswil SWI) *
-Marcus Ragnarsson (PHI->Almtuna SEL2)

OTT:
-Josh Holden (AHL->SWI)
-Jaroslav Kristek (AHL->Praha CZE)
-Daryl Andrews (AHL->Sheffield EIHL)
-Eric Perrin (AHL->Bern SWI) *
-Rob Zepp (AHL->SaiPa FEL) *

MTL:
-Alexei Smirnov (AHL->Avangard Omsk RSL)
-Martin Strbak (PIT->CSKA RSL)
-Artem Chubarov (Omsk RSL) *
-Harold Druken (AHL->Basel SWI) *
-Riku Hahl (HPK->Davos SWI) *

CAR:
-Radovan Somik (PHI->Severstal Cherepovets RSL)
-Stephane Quintal (retired) *

BOS:

NJ:
-Ilya Kovalchuk (Kazan->Khimik RSL) *

PHI:

FLA:
-Robert Reichel (TOR->Litvinov CZE)
-Janne Laukkanen (retired)
-Petr Buzek (CGY->CZE)
-Stephen Valiquette (NYR->Lokomotiv RSL)

NYR:
-Brian Swanson (AHL->Kassel DEL)
-Andreas Johansson (NSH->Väsby SEL2)
-Denis Arkhipov (NSH->RSL)
-Alexei Morozov (PIT->Ak Bars RSL)
-Yannick Lehoux (AHL->Dynamo Moskva DEL)
-Shjon Podein (SEL2->JPN) *
-John Tripp (AHL->Mannheim DEL) *
-Karl Dykhuis (Amsterdam->Mannheim DEL) *

WSH:
-Mattias Timander (PHI->Modo SEL)
-Pavel Trnka (FLA->Plzen CZE)

TB:
-Craig Johnson (WSH->Dusseldorf DEL)
-Espen Knutsen (retired)
-Jaroslav Bednar (FLO->Praha CZE)
-David Cloutier (AHL->Innsbruck AUT)
-Shawn Heins (ATL->Berlin DEL)
-Johan Holmqvist (MIN->Brynäs/Timrå SEL)
-Roman Turek (retired from NHL)
-Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre (NHL->Duisburg DEL) *

NYI:
-Roman Cechmanek (LA->Karlovy Vary CZE)
-Pasi Nurminen (retired)

DAL:
-Mikhail Yakubov (AHL->Spartak Moskva RSL)
-Mike Wilson (PHX->Linz AUT)
-Frederick Brind'Amour (NYI->QSMHL last game in 03-04)

DET:
-Benoit Dusanblom (retired)
-Marc Brown (AHL->Augsburg DEL)
-Brad DeFauw (CAR->Växjö SEL2)

PHX:
-Derek Bekar (AHL->Chur SWI)
-Igor Korolev (CHI->Yaroslav RSL)
-Sebastien Charpentier (WAS->HK MVD Tver RSL2)

STL:
-Daniel Tkaczuk (STL->FEL->ITL->DEL)
-Robert Dome (CGY->SSK SEL)
-Landon Wilson (PIT->FIN->Davos SWI) *

CHI:
-Magnus Arvedsson (retired)
-Anders Lilja (NSH->Malmö SEL)

TOR:
-Cody Larose (SCL Tigers SWI)
-Steve Moore (injury)
-Jonas Andersson (NSH->Brynäs SEL)
-Petr Smrek (OTT->Mora SEL)
-Christian LaFlamme (STL->Kassel DEL)
-Sebastien Centomo (ECHL->HIFK FEL) *

COL:
-Ivan Ciernik (WSH->Koln DEL)
-Pavel Rosa (LA->Dynamo Moskva RSL)
-Milan Kraft (PIT->Omsk RSL) *
-Pierre Hedin (TOR->Mannheim DEL) *
-Shane Willis (TB->Davos SWI) *

ANA:
-Kenny Jönsson (NYI->Rögle SEL2)

EDM:
-Hnat Domenichelli (MIN->SWI)
-Michael Henrich (AHL->Zell Am See AUT)
-Dan Welch (AHL->Nottingham EIHL)

VAN:
-Greg Classen (AHL->Pori FEL)
-Dan Bylsma (retired)
-Petr Schastlivy (ANA->Yaroslav RSL)
-Pascal Trepanier (TB->Nurnberg DEL)
-Karel Rachunek (NYR->RSL) *

CGY:
-Marty Murray (CAR->Hannover DEL)
-Steve Guolla (NJ->Hannover DEL)
-Kristian Kudroc (TB->FEL)

LA:
-Jan Hlavac (NYR->Geneve SWI)
-Eric Johansson (AHL->Mora SEL)
-Felix Potvin (BOS->Lada Togliatti RSL)

SJ:
-Maxim Balmochnykh (AHL->Lipetsk RSL2)

NSH:
-Jason Krog (ANA->Geneve SWI)
-Alexander Svitov (CBJ->Omsk RSL)
-Jamie Wright (AHL->Lukko FEL)
-Brad Tapper (AHL->Hannover DEL)

ATL:
-Arron Asham (NYI->Visp SWI2)
-Daniel Corso (AHL->Frankfurt DEL)
-Andreas Dackell (MTL->Brynäs SEL)
-Lubos Bartecko (LA->Dynamo Moskva RSL)

MIN:
-Andrei Nikolishin (COL->CSKA Moscow RSL)
-Todd Warriner (NSH->FEL->DEL)

CBJ:
-Arto Tukio (Frölunda SEL)

-Trevor Kidd (TOR->Hannover DEL)
-Jan Lasak (NSH->HC Pardubice CZE)
-Zdenek Kutlak (BOS->CZE)
-Kiriil Safronov (NSH->RSL)
-Anders Eriksson (COL->HV71 SEL)
-Jason Holland (LA->Inglostadt DEL)
-Deron Quint (CHI->SWI)
-Yannick Trembley (ATL->Innsbruck AUT)
-Karel Pilar (TOR->CZE)
-Mariusz Czerkawski (NYI->SEL?)
-Vladimir Orzagh (NSH->Färjestad SEL?)
-Michal Grosek (BOS->SWI?)
-Rob Zamuner (BOS->Basel SWI)
---
-Mike Kompon (NCAA->UHL)
-Jeff Harvey (WHL->UHL)
-Tyler Dyck (WHL)

Players that haven't played for a while.

-Gregg Naumenko (SJ->3rd year UFA)
-Rich Pilon (STL->? played his last game in 01-02)
-Bill Houlder (NSH->played his last game in 02-03)
-Marty McInnis (BOS->played his last game in 02-03)
-Pavel Bure (NYR->played his last game in 02-03)
-Claude Lemieux (DAL->played his last game in 02-03)
-Stephen Heinze (Played his last game in 02-03)
-Jonathan Schill (Played his last game in 02-03)
---
-Ron Tugnutt (DAL->2nd year UFA)
-Cody Rudkowski (STL->2nd year UFA)
-Corey Schwab (NJ->2nd year UFA)
-Steve Sheilds (FLA->2nd year UFA)
-Murray Baron (STL->2nd year UFA)
-James Patrick (BUF->2nd year UFA)
-Brad Norton (WSH->2nd year UFA)
-Bubba Berenzweig (AHL->2nd year UFA)
-Marc Bergevin (VAN->2nd year UFA)
-Jeff Finley (STL->2nd year UFA)
-Jesse Wallin (AHL->2nd year UFA)
-Chris Tamer (ATL->2nd year UFA)
-Drake Berehowsky (TOR->2nd year UFA)
-Boris Mironov (NYR->2nd year UFA)
-Jason York (NSH->2nd year UFA)
-Steve Webb (NYI->2nd year UFA)
-Scott Young (DAL->2nd year UFA)
-Ivan Novoseltsev (PHO->2nd year UFA)
-Bill Muckalt (MIN->2nd year UFA)
-Dave Lowry (CGY->2nd year UFA)
-Bates Battaglia (WSH->2nd year UFA)
-Mike Peluso (PHI->2nd year UFA)
-Jody Hull (OTT->2nd year UFA)
-Joe Hulbig (NJ->2nd year UFA)
-Rem Murray (NSH->2nd year UFA)
-Eric Messier (FLA->2nd year UFA)
-Shayne Corson (DAL->2nd year UFA)
-Roman Tvrdon (WSH->2nd year UFA)
-Jeff Bateman (DAL->2nd year UFA)
-Matthias Trattnig (AHL->Salzburg AUT)
-Mike Eastwood (PIT->2nd year UFA)
-Brian Holzinger (CBJ->2nd year UFA)
-Shaun Van Allen (OTT->2nd year UFA)
-Yanic Perrault (MTL->2nd year UFA)


Other player leaving from NHL/AHL:
-Theo Fleury (CHI->Belfast Giants EIHL)
-Patrick Aufiero (AHL->DEL)
-Patrick DesRochers (AHL->DEL)
-Chris/Peter Ferraro (AHL-Düsseldorf DEL)
-Jesse Fibiger (AHL->Wolfsburg DEL)
-Andy Hedlund (AHL->Krefeld DEL)
-Ryan Kraft (AHL->Kassel DEL)
-Chris Schmidt (AHL->Düsseldorf DEL)
-Dieter Kochan (AHL->Novosibirsk RSL)
-Fred Brathwaite (CBJ->Ak Bars RSL)
-Neil Little (AHL->Espoo FEL)

 

[Dryden]

Lilja signed with Detroit

 

[HFNHL Red Wings]

That's an excellent list with a bunch of one's a haven't seen anywhere else. It is obviously missing the most recent retirees and Dryden is right Lilja has signed w/ Detroit. In all it is a better list though b/c it includes guys still showing on HFNHL teams that should have been removed in the past.

 

[Ville Isopaa]

That's an excellent list with a bunch of one's a haven't seen anywhere else. It is obviously missing the most recent retirees and Dryden is right Lilja has signed w/ Detroit. In all it is a better list though b/c it includes guys still showing on HFNHL teams that should have been removed in the past.

There is an updated version of the list, as I keep updating it pretty much daily based on reports from several sources and send an update to Dion every now and then.

 

[Donga]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=buccigross_john&id=2153645

Podein playing in Japan this season... interesting.. Sorry to report this gaffs..

 

[SPG]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=buccigross_john&id=2153645

Podein playing in Japan this season... interesting.. Sorry to report this gaffs..

Oh well... I think my team will survive without him.

As for Morozov, I don't think he has signed in Europe for the coming season (at least not yet), but I could be wrong.... He signed a contract with a Russian team in Sept of 2004 to play there during the lockout season, but from what I've read, he intends to play in the NHL this coming season. He and the Pens are having a tough time negotiating a deal, but he may end up being dealt to another team.

 

[Dryden]

Mariusz Czerkawski it seems has just signed with the Leafs...as a homer that should raise his ratings right there.