Quebec City getting a franchise ?

[Ted Hoffman]

The metropolitan area of Quebec City has a population under 750,000 - or about the same size as Winnipeg. The city doesn't even have a CFL team. The mayor certainly hasn't been very supportive of helping the NHL come back. Taxes are much higher there than in the rest of Canada. Is there even a moderately wealthy (read: net worth of $100 million) person leading a committee to bring a team back?

Folks, it's not happening.

 

[Wetcoaster]

So, if the salary cap increases every year, it means the revenues are bigger. How in hell can the revenues increase like that if half teams of the league loses money ? I mean, okay, the price for tickets are higher every year but that's not suppose to make a huge difference like that.

Perhaps because some of the high revenue teams have a much lower payroll than before the cap???

Or the NHL was not really telling us the truth when they trotted out the Levitt Report in support of Bettman's claim that revenues would only support an average payroll $31 million at 54% of claimed revenues the NHL was taking in???

 

[tiredman]

The metropolitan area of Quebec City has a population under 750,000 - or about the same size as Winnipeg. The city doesn't even have a CFL team. The mayor certainly hasn't been very supportive of helping the NHL come back. Taxes are much higher there than in the rest of Canada. Is there even a moderately wealthy (read: net worth of $100 million) person leading a committee to bring a team back?

Folks, it's not happening.

"The metropolitan area of Quebec City has a population under 750,000 - or about the same size as Winnipeg."
The Nordiques also attracted many people from everwhere in the province. Quebec city also attract a lot of tourists from everywhere in the world, every year.

"The city doesn't even have a CFL team."
Yeah. It's true. It's because we don't have a stadium. But I don't think people are that much interested in CFL here.

"The mayor certainly hasn't been very supportive of helping the NHL come back."
Well, the mayor doesn't want to pay with the taxes of people a new arena or pay to buy a franchise. However, I fail to see how she could refuse to help a little bit (free taxes for the first years) a private project of 500 milllions.

"Is there even a moderately wealthy (read: net worth of $100 million) person leading a committee to bring a team back?"
Yes, apparently .

 

[Fugu]

I see nothing wrong with what nomorekids said - it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but if you've been here awhile it's funny. Furthermore, why should becoming a moderator automatically exclude one from enjoying themselves on the board?

NMK can have just as much fun here as anyone else. The only problem with the original comment was that someone would drag Yzerman's name into this incessant battle, attributing comments or attitudes to him that clearly are unfounded. I doubt NMK even meant to imply that, but you just know someone will come along see that and think Yzerman has entered the debate.

 

[Wetcoaster]

"The metropolitan area of Quebec City has a population under 750,000 - or about the same size as Winnipeg."
The Nordiques also attracted many people from everwhere in the province. Quebec city also attract a lot of tourists from everywhere in the world, every year.

"The city doesn't even have a CFL team."
Yeah. It's true. It's because we don't have a stadium. But I don't think people are that much interested in CFL here.

"The mayor certainly hasn't been very supportive of helping the NHL come back."
Well, the mayor doesn't want to pay with the taxes of people a new arena or pay to buy a franchise. However, I fail to see how she could refuse to help a little bit (free taxes for the first years) a private project of 500 milllions.

"Is there even a moderately wealthy (read: net worth of $100 million) person leading a committee to bring a team back?"
Yes, apparently .

Such as?

The NHL has become a billionaire's league now - millionaires need not apply.

 

[PeteWorrell]

The metropolitan area of Quebec City has a population under 750,000 - or about the same size as Winnipeg. The city doesn't even have a CFL team. The mayor certainly hasn't been very supportive of helping the NHL come back. Taxes are much higher there than in the rest of Canada. Is there even a moderately wealthy (read: net worth of $100 million) person leading a committee to bring a team back?

Folks, it's not happening.

Meh it's useless to try to convince them that it's not happening.

 

[tiredman]

Such as?

The NHL has become a billionaire's league now - millionaires need not apply.

Well, they never mentionned who the person was. They only said he was not a north american. However, if the rumor is true and he has a project of 500 millions, that means he's probably a billionaire. Red Bull was involved in a lot of rumour in quebec city. If that's true, the owner is a billionaire (Dietrich Mateschitz).

 

[habitue*]

Try to convince a Russian or Swede that: not only does he have to learn English as a 2nd language, but he must also learn French. Good luck.

They don't have to learn French...

It did not seem to bug the Statsnys... Europeans are used to speak at least two languages if not 3-4 or 5 different languages.

Anyway... Hockey players are spending no more than 100-125 days per year in their team's hometown. They are on the road for 41 games (another 100 days), and are spending almost 5 months in their hometown/country. So, learning French, even in Quebec City, IS NOT a necessity for those guys. It is not a MUST... Unless you really want to establish yourself and your family there for a good part of your life.

+ Their agents are taking care of lots of administrative duties. And all rge official forms and gvt services are offered in both of Canada official languages.

Sakic spent 4 years in Quuebec and I never heard him say a word in French... And I am not talking about Koivu and Rivet (born in North bay) who spent 10 years in Montreal and cannot still say a "merci" or a "comment ça va ?" in front of a camera.

 

[PeteWorrell]

Quebec city has projects for the future. I know that's something montrealers can't understand since most of them don't know what these words mean.

And once again a person from Quebec that judges someone from Montreal based on nothing.

I loved the rivalry between the Habs and the Nords and i don't think anyone from Montreal can say that they don't miss those days.But the fact is Quebec isn't good enough to support an NHL team.

 

[PeteWorrell]

Well, you're clearly trolling. You knew your post was crap and nothing good would have came out of it.

Now, you troll a second time. Sorry, but I won't enter in your little game.

Site rules: Trolling: Do not post topics with the sole purpose of starting a dispute. Note that a person disagreeing with your opinion is NOT trolling; keep it civil, even if you're sure the other person is wrong.

I don't agree with your opinion so i am trolling?Nice logic right there.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

"The metropolitan area of Quebec City has a population under 750,000 - or about the same size as Winnipeg."
The Nordiques also attracted many people from everwhere in the province. Quebec city also attract a lot of tourists from everywhere in the world, every year.

Tourists are going to help boost attendance? This bid is in more trouble than I thought ...

"The mayor certainly hasn't been very supportive of helping the NHL come back."
Well, the mayor doesn't want to pay with the taxes of people a new arena or pay to buy a franchise. However, I fail to see how she could refuse to help a little bit (free taxes for the first years) a private project of 500 milllions.

So ... someone else is going to come in and foot a $500 million arena themselves? Do explain!

"Is there even a moderately wealthy (read: net worth of $100 million) person leading a committee to bring a team back?"
Yes, apparently .

So ....... names? Surely you can come up with a couple of names that fit this criteria and have been linked to attempts to bring a team back to Quebec in an official media story ... no?

Well, you're clearly trolling. You knew your post was crap and nothing good would have came out of it.

Now, you troll a second time. Sorry, but I won't enter in your little game.

That's nowhere close to trolling - and if you don't mind, since I mod this forum on a regular basis, I'd appreciate if you leave that job to me instead of taking that job on yourself.

Thanks.

 

[tiredman]

Site rules: Trolling: Do not post topics with the sole purpose of starting a dispute. Note that a person disagreeing with your opinion is NOT trolling; keep it civil, even if you're sure the other person is wrong.

I don't agree with your opinion so i am trolling?Nice logic right there.

Many posters didn't agree with me and there was no problem with that.

But they didn't insult people ("dilusional freaks") or attack the city ("quebec city is not good enough") like you did.

 

[tiredman]

Tourists are going to help boost attendance? This bid is in more trouble than I thought ...


So ... someone else is going to come in and foot a $500 million arena themselves? Do explain!


So ....... names?

"Tourists are going to help boost attendance?"

Well, the colisee was almost full even in the bad years of the nordiques. All I was saying is that the team is not the team of Quebec city but the team of the province. Many many people in the days of the nordiques were travalling from everywhere in the province of quebec to see the games.


"So ... someone else is going to come in and foot a $500 million arena themselves? Do explain!


So ....... names?"

As I explained it in my first post, there are very strong rumour about a very rich person that wants to build an arena and bring a team here.

The rumoured name is Dietrich Mateschitz. Red Bull's owner.

 

[Fourier]

Damn straight they're not spoken in jest. Is it any wonder why a Nashville fan would make some snarky (though amusing) comments? They've been getting crapped on around here for years and it's gone up tenfold in the past few weeks. See comment quoted below (i.e., typical uninformed person with no actual clue about attendance #s and bringing in some silliness about "real hockey cities"), and see if you can figure out why some of us get annoyed.

This cuts both ways. You have read this thread, right.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=385428


I live in Waterloo now but I am from Edmonton. The "don't deserve a team because the market is too small talk/ hicksville talk" has been directed at Edmonton from places both north and south of the border since the team entered the league. Elitism is a fact of life. However, what you might find amusing may well be insulting to others. If I said something about "hockey in Bugtussle" some might find it amusing but I would be surprised if others were not insulted.

My guess is that NMK is a straight-up person and I will accept that the comments
were made in fun. However, in such a heated environment moderators need to be a
bit cautious about what they say.

 

[PeteWorrell]

Well, the colisee was almost full even in the bad years of the nordiques. All I was saying is that the team is not the team of Quebec city but the team of the province. Many many people in the days of the nordiques were travalling from everywhere in the province of quebec to see the games.

People that want the Nords back always say that but the problem is the franchise never moved from lack of attendence but the lack of corporate support.That's why a team like Buffalo loses money even if they sell out every game they lack corporate support.

As I explained it in my first post, there are very strong rumour about a very rich person that wants to build an arena and bring a team here.

The rumoured name is Dietrich Mateschitz. Red Bull's owner.

And that's why i don't believe in the Nords coming back there has never been a true bid for an arena or for an NHL franchise.Rumors are rumors just worthless if they are based on nothing.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Not trolling ? "Dilusional freaks" and "Quebec city is not good enough" he said. If that's not trolling what is it then ?

You report the post - you do not play moderator.

Don't bother reporting it now, I'll go find it myself.

 

[...is a goober]

Tourists are going to help boost attendance? This bid is in more trouble than I thought ...

Funny, I've seen this same argument used for Las Vegas getting a team, and no one rolled their eyes at them...

(and don't bother quoting LV tourist figures, you made the comment, not me. I'll keep it in mind next time expansion to LV is brought up.)

That said...

I think there are a ton of hurdles to overcome on this, the most pressing being: from an NHL standpoint, why would they put a team in a market that is going to serve, at most, 7 million people who speak an entirely different language than the rest of the continent, given the league's mandate to 'grow the game'?

I would love to see it, but even if they got all their ducks in a row (which would be a stretch on its own), I can see Garry saying, 'sorry, no way.'

 

[GSK*]

Montreal is completely different from any other cities in Quebec. In Montreal over 500,000 person speak english and 3/4 of the population are biligual. Also, Montreal is a very cosmopolitan city and very different from the other Quebec cities. You are right, besides Montreal, the rest of Quebec is very divided when it comes to the Habs, but Montreal alone has half the population of the province.

2007 Estimation in Montreal: 1.9 millions


Just take a chill pill dude the Montreal Island is only 1.7 millions not 4. If you take city like Laval, Longueil, Brossard and Ste-Catherine now its up to 3.6 millions. There is almost 400.000 people in Laval and there is a lot of ex-Nords fans in Laval. (When I was living here...) Anyway, the city of Quebec is 532 000 peoples and "Quebec et les alentours" is 1.1 millions. This is ENOUGH people to a new franchise. City like Pittsburgh (537 000), Nashville (569 891) and plenty others don't have that numbers of citizens.

If there is a new arena and a owner with big money, that would only be benefict for the NHL to have a franchise in Quebec city again.

 

[tiredman]

You report the post - you do not play moderator.

Don't bother reporting it now, I'll go find it myself.

Okay. Sorry for that. I will know it next time.

 

[PeteWorrell]

2007 Estimation in Montreal: 1.9 millions


Just take a chill pill dude the Montreal Island is only 1.7 millions not 4. If you take city like Laval, Longueil, Brossard and Ste-Catherine now its up to 3.6 millions. There is almost 400.000 people in Laval and there is a lot of ex-Nords fans in Laval. (When I was living here...) Anyway, the city of Quebec is 532 000 peoples and "Quebec et les alentours" is 1.1 millions. This is ENOUGH people to a new franchise. City like Pittsburgh (537 000), Nashville (569 891) and plenty others don't have that numbers of citizens.

If there is a new arena and a owner with big money, that would only be benefict for the NHL to have a franchise in Quebec city again.

But you failed to mention that Pittsburgh's metro region is around 2.3 million and Nashville's 1.5.

 

[Wetcoaster]

2007 Estimation in Montreal: 1.9 millions


Just take a chill pill dude the Montreal Island is only 1.7 millions not 4. If you take city like Laval, Longueil, Brossard and Ste-Catherine now its up to 3.6 millions. There is almost 400.000 people in Laval and there is a lot of ex-Nords fans in Laval. (When I was living here...) Anyway, the city of Quebec is 532 000 peoples and "Quebec et les alentours" is 1.1 millions. This is ENOUGH people to a new franchise. City like Pittsburgh (537 000), Nashville (569 891) and plenty others don't have that numbers of citizens.

If there is a new arena and a owner with big money, that would only be benefict for the NHL to have a franchise in Quebec city again.

That is for the city proper. The metropolitan areas are much more populous.

Nashville-Davidson—Murfreesboro MSA is about 1.45 million population as of July 2006

Pittsburgh Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA), home to more than 2.3 million people.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Funny, I've seen this same argument used for Las Vegas getting a team, and no one rolled their eyes at them...

(and don't bother quoting LV tourist figures, you made the comment, not me. I'll keep it in mind next time expansion to LV is brought up.)

When Quebec City brings in 39 million tourists a year, let me know. Better yet, when they can bring in 1 million visitors a month in the cold of winter, let me know.

Las Vegas also has a metropolitan population of nearly 1.8 million and climbing, and has the capability of generating all kinds of corporate support from the casino industry and some high-tech firms; Quebec can pull in all kinds of corporate support from .....

 

[tiredman]

When Quebec City brings in 39 million tourists a year, let me know. Better yet, when they can bring in 1 million visitors a month in the cold of winter, let me know.

Las Vegas also has a metropolitan population of nearly 1.8 million and climbing, and has the capability of generating all kinds of corporate support from the casino industry and some high-tech firms; Quebec can pull in all kinds of corporate support from .....

Quebec could take it's corporate support from the same companies that support the habs

 

[NewtJorden]

Would be cool to see a team back in Quebec city. But unfortunately, they will think of city like Winnipeg or Hamilton before

 

[tiredman]

That is for the city proper. The metropolitan areas are much more populous.

Nashville-Davidson—Murfreesboro MSA is about 1.45 million population as of July 2006

Pittsburgh Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA), home to more than 2.3 million people.

Even if there are more people in both of these cities (metropolitain), the fact is that Quebec city have more hockey fans than the predators and maybe even the penguins.