TSN: Quarter point grades by Craig Button

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  1. BlackStar

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    So in your incredibly biased and fallacious thinking, a "very offensive role" consists of playing 13 minutes a night (8th among all forwards on the team)?

    Interestingly, Eller also happens to be 8th among all forwards in even-strength goals, this as he happens to be 8th among all forwards in forwards in even-strength ice time.

    Meaning, factually, objectively, Eller is producing as well as he should be. That is irrefutable.

    However, considering variables such as him having to adjust to a new role, and playing with a struggling Galchenyuk (goalscoring wise--affecting Eller's lack of assists), and not having the benefit of another legitimate top-six talent on his line, Eller has performed better than what should be expected of him.

    Again, the player who happens to be 8th among all forwards in ice-time on the team also happens to be 8th in goalscoring.

    The only legitimate argument then is about his lack of assists. Therefore, we must ask ourselves, why is it that a player who averaged roughly 14 assists a season playing heavy defensive minutes with offensive black holes for linemates on pace for only 4 assists this year?

    Furthermore, why is that player on pace for only 4 assists when he had 22 of his 30 points in 42 games in the 12-13 season (that's an average of 40ish assists in 82 games)?

    Simple logic states that there are undervalued (perhaps intentionally so by some) variables to explain this anomaly. The most obvious and simple of such variables include his linemate, Galchenyuk shooting 5% worser than his career percentage. On top of that, the Eller and Galchenyuk have had to play with a revolving door of 4th liners for the entire season.

    When we consider that Eller is shooting a career best, 15%, on the only thing he variable he alone controls (goal scoring), Eller is producing well. Frankly, only people with a clear agenda against Eller or at the very least, people who fail to understand the many factors involved in production/statistics are the people who would complain about Eller's production so far.

    Sadly, this board is full of immature people who refuse to admit their wrong or change their minds when evidence is brought up to refute their error, so I don't expect that to change anytime soon.
     
  2. Monctonscout

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    When you play with a guy who can shoot the puck like Galchenyuk and a lot with another guy who is a good shooter in Semin and you have ONE assist in 22 games, that's a clear sign that you are a terrible playmaker and have poor vision. That's a big part of playing offense in the NHL....but let's ONLY look at goals because it suits your argument...
     
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    :laugh: Did you seriously just use subjective points to counter an argument that highlighted factual and objective evidence? Seriously?

    Yeah, I will no longer waste my time digging up facts in an attempt to argue with you about this if you're going to result to terrible points like these.

    There are people who share similar thinking on Eller as you do who are able to back up their points far better than you are. I'll focus my attention to them now.

    Subban has played a lot of minutes with the Galchenyuk, he too must be a terrible playmaker and passer, right? Because he isn't helping him score. Right? Galchenyuk must also be a terrible playmaker and passer, since he isn't helping Semin, "the good shooter" in 2015 score. Sigh.
     
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    DD has been a big surprise,did he make Patch ,Patch? His linemates also have been a big surprise,who else could you put him with and get the results? Flash has been so impressive,will he be here next season? Bournival to replace him? clear that DLR is far from Flash. Will Weise be signed?
     
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    Because DD is a very gifted playmaker, maybe DD should play with Galch? and Semin? kind of weak defensively though eh?
     
  6. Wats

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    Fleischmann has more non-powerplay points than DD...
     
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    Max ranked way too high with an A, IMHO.
     
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    And he has 6 goals as the third line winger. What do you want him to do pot 30 on the year, considering that is better than everyone but patches on this team?
     
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    Agreed. These are the changes I'd make.

    Desharnais - A

    Pacioretty - B+

    Plekanec - B+

    Flynn - B

    Mitchell - A

    DSP - B
     
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    Ellers goal totals will regress and his assists will go up. I anticipate at this rate he will match his production as a defensive player in previous years.
     
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    I'd like to see how Eller does if paired with Drsharnais and also how Chuck does if he had Flash instead of Eller. I have a feeling both lines would benefit. Desharnais would be feeding Eller goals while Galchenyuk would have a more creative winger. Just my 2 cents.
     
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    Just stop.
     
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    Move Plekanec up to A++ and then you're in business!!!...:yo::yo::yo:
     
  14. Tyson

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    Eller played his best game of the season last night. Imagine that...add speed and space is created. Andrighetto has a legitimate chance to establish himself as an NHLer....will he seize the opportunity?
     
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    23 points in 23 games. Pleks is the best kept secret in the league. Glad he got extended.
     

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