TSN: Quarter point grades by Craig Button

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  1. Our options kinda suck ... our hope is on RW, either Semin or any kid could help fulfill Chucky's offensive potential.
     
  2. MXD

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    The flipside is that Desharnais is also on pace for career highs away from Pacioretty AND not playing in a sheltered offensive way either (his QoC is above average on team and his zonal deployment is, for all intents and purposes, neutral)...

    To me, that mean three things :
    - Star players don't see their production influenced very much by linemates. Pacioretty is one of these star players. I think THAT was obvious. If anything, and to be honest, I thought DD had a slight positive influence on Patches goal totals and a slight negative influence on Patches assists totals. So, all in all, no real influence.

    - Desharnais, who isn't a star player, is playing very well this season.

    - Desharnais, at some point, developped a "pass to Patches" reflex that made him a lesser player. In other words, DD brought nothing to Pacioretty production-Wise, while Patches was arguably detrimental (though no fault of his own) to DD's play. I hesitate before saying "detrimental to production", because 1/4 season and part of DD's line production is not sustainable.
     
  3. Sparksrus3

    Sparksrus3 " Complete Autonomy from A to Z" Love Ya Lou.

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    Islander fan here. I can't blame everything on Brian Strait.lol
    You guys are for real. Should be a nice 100 or more games this season for you.
    Glad our season series is finished.

    Question, does PK often deliver late cheap shots? Not starting a fight at all. Hey the refs let him do what he wants so it's ok . He absolutely is the full package as a player.
     
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    Again, you're going off on an exaggeration.

    I don't think anybody said Desharnais made Pacioretty, but he did contribute to his goal scoring, just like Gallagher and Plekanec are doing now.

    Anybody saying that Desharnais isn't making Flesischmann and Weise look better than say playing with Eller is out of their mind.
     
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    groovejuice Without deviation progress is not possible

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    I think Bergevin is making certain that Therrien has help in promotion and deployment decisions. He's not independent anymore, for sure.
     
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    And why Galchenyuk or hasn't hasn't score more PP goals in a great offensive situation with the great Desharnais as a playmaker??????????

    Only one goal on the PP and it comes with the help of the D

    If it's Eller's fault that Galchenyuk isn't scoring (cause with 5 players on the ice, we all know that the only pass should come from the stick of Eller for Galchenyuk to score goals:shakehead), then it's Desharnais' fault for Galchenyuk not scoring on the PP.
     
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    That bad as the punch against... (was it Brock Nelson?) ? No.

    He does spend quite a bit of energy on post-whistle scrums, however.
     
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    FireBurningBin please

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    Not really, but he has no problem with whining, embellishing and playing chippy. He's more "cheap" after the whistle I would say. You take the good and the bad with him, he's been more mature this year though.
     
  9. Why doesnt any Eller's linemate produce ? :popcorn:
    Do we need Bourque to help enabling "beast mode" Eller ?

    DD playmaking ability is like Gretzky compare to the tunel vision Eller has.
    Eller is a skill energy guy.
     
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    IF they were playing with Eller, they wouldn't be playing an excluisve offensive role like they are doing with Desharnais. Of course THAT make them look better as it would any players.

    Weise from huge defensive role to huge offensive role is the reason why Weise is producing....that and tons of luck too.
     
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    Pacioretty with an A is hilarious.

    Only when an opponent shoves Price. I doubt Boychuk would just stand there watching if an opponent shoved Halak.
     
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    Because, apparently, DD skills are better used as a corner man (!) and a netcrasher.

    Seriously, I think there's merit in having a small player with a ridiculously short reach to crash the net. Easier to control close pucks than it is for a taller player. Of course, that also means he will miss on puck that are further.
     
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    You might want to look at Eller and DD deployment this season....
     
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    Galchenyuk is on pace to have the same points total that he did last year playing with Plekanec, Gallagher, Pacioretty and Desharnais......Eller isn't making him worst or anything.

    As for Semin....well, that's another story.
    Like i said, there's 5 players on the ice.
     
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    The truth is: The entire Galchenyuk line has struggled, and we should expect more.

    Now that they are playing 3rd line minutes, it's unfair to expect them to produce on par with other 2nd lines in the league, the goalposts need to be adjusted.

    Having an actual top 6 RW on that line would obviously have a big impact on that line. The faults of that line do not lie solely on Eller's shoulders.

    I don't blame Therrien for playing the DD line more, they deserve it. But we need to adjust expectations. Eller and Galchenyuk are playing 3rd line minutes atm......let's judge them with that in mind.
     
  16. :laugh:

    Nice post I agree mostly
     
  17. Monsieur Patate

    Monsieur Patate Rebuilding since '93

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    Fair enough, pardon me for my ignorance.
     
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    Yes DD outplayed Galchenyuk's line. Good for you. Want a cookie? A line where Semin scored 6 goals last year and looks even worst this year if that's even possible. Galchenyuk playing center for the first time and Eller being converted to wing. Who ever thought that line was going to fail? Not me and certainly not our magnificient coach with all his years of experience right? All the tools to succeed...

    But you're right Eller ficking sucks. on pace for 34 goals with 2nd line icetime and PP = amazing but Eller with 24 goal pace with 4th line ice time and no PP = sucks! I agree with you!

    It's all Eller's fault that Semin sucks and Galchenyuk scores an ES goal every 12 games. I agree with you but wait...Galchenyuk didn't play with Eller last year...Galch scored one goal in 12 playoff games...ONE. Same as DD, Plekanec and Eller but Eller sucks even though he doesn't get PP. I agree with you!

    You have to go back to Feb 12. to find the last time Galch scored an ES goal. That's one goal in 27 games!! Wait 27 must be Galchenyuk's lucky number! But you're right Eller sucks. He's a cancer and it's all his fault.

    Ironically everybody keeps saying Galcheyuk is going to face tougher competition if he was playing on the first line but all of his points playing with Pacioretty came from even strength. Go figure.
     
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    Mostly agree with it. I think an F for Semin is way too harsh. I'd give Eller a bump to a B. And I don't see how Desharnais is anything but an A+ this year. How can you ask for anything more from that guy?
     
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    Really surprised at DD being significantly lower than weise and flash.

    Petry too low and Subban and markov should be just a bit lower.

    DSP and mitchell are too low in my opinion if we are basing this on expectations like the article mentionned. As is condon.
     
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    Only to tavares and he's just joking around with him. They're good friends. He's not dirty at all.
     
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    Eller is playing in a role that's very offensive centered and he still doesn't generate much offense.

    If you put a guy with no offensive skill in an offensive role, that player still won't do much. Semin looks finished and got a ton of opportunities in offensive situations.

    People here overplay the "role" factor. Plekanec plays a ton of tough minutes and he still produces excellent offensive numbers.
     
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    I do. I wanted the Gallys reunited with Flash on the lw, Weise on the topline and DD centering Eller and DSP. Give Chuck some real skill guys. Now with Gallagher hurt, I'd go Flash and DSP/Ghetto
     
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    Patch, Gally, DD, Flash, and Weise are all on pace for career seasons, might as well shuffle the lines to better suit Chucky.
     
  25. Nynja*

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    Oh boy lol
    it was a 2-0 and you're telling us Eller did nothing? His mere presence on a 2-0 is doing something. Greiss is playing the middle of the net, not lined up squarely with Flash, incase a pass is made.
     

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