seventieslord
Student Of The Game
This is something I thought of the other day as a study that has to be done, and then I immediately assumed it has already been done, since it's so relatively easy.
There's a perception that some players have more or less of a propensity to be a part of more important goals more often. I think that rudimentary attempts at quantifying this have been highly inadequate. The most basic is the GWG statistic, which is so flawed that I don't really need to explain why to this crowd.
From there, there have been attempts to credit players for their contributions to winning and tying goals, which makes sense fundamentally, because those are the goals that make a difference in the standings. I remember the original 1987 Hockey Compendium tried such a thing.
In such a low-scoring NHL, though, just about every goal is important. A case could be made that every goal scored when the game is within three goals is at least somewhat important (maybe even four!). But are they all equally important? No.
If you were down two and you tie the game, that tying goal is very important, but is it much more important than the goal that made it within one? If you are ahead by a goal midway through, and you score again, that goal greatly increased your likelihood of holding onto the lead, but it is not a "game winning" goal... unless, of course, you get scored on one more time. And so on.
We could assign arbitrary values to some goals, like on a 5 to 1 scale, where a 5 is an OT goal, a 4 is a tiebreaking goal late in the 3rd, a 3 is a tying goal, etc. While that would be making an earnest attempt to quantify a goal's importance, it would still be arbitrary.
But I believe we have the data available (going back quite a few years now) to quantify the "clutchness" or "importance" of every goal scored. I think the most important thing to consider is, what was the expected number of points your team would receive in the situation it was in prior to the goal, and what was the expected number of points following it?
For example: Your team is down a goal with 1:00 left in the 3rd. There's a 3% chance your team wins the game at this point. You score a goal. That makes it a coin flip from here. It's 50%. You just made your team's likelihood of a win rise by 47% with that goal.
Another example: It's midway through the 2nd and you're up 3-0. You're 98% likely to win this game. You score again. Your chances of winning just went up to 99.5. Your goal only made the likelihood of a win go up by 1.5%. It is not a very important goal.
Of course, that late tying goal could be rendered meaningless if the other team comes back and scores with 15 seconds remaining, but that doesn't change that the tying goal was very clutch. Similarly, the team down 4-0 could in fact come back to tie it, making that 4-0 goal very important, but that doesn't change that it was very unimportant when it was scored.
It would not be difficult at all for someone with the knowhow, to scour game sheets and create a huge data set that calculates the average number of points earned by a team in a certain situation.
i.e.:
- down by one goal at midway point: 0.67 pts on average
- down by one goal at end of 2nd: 0.55 pts
- down by one goal 14:00 into 3rd: 0.26 pts
- down by one goal 19:00 into 3rd: 0.08 pts
Using the data from that season, you could then definitively state the importance of each goal by the rise in expected points that goal caused. You could then add up any individual player's contributions to important points.
Thoughts? (this has to already be done before, right? I'm not known for my originality)
There's a perception that some players have more or less of a propensity to be a part of more important goals more often. I think that rudimentary attempts at quantifying this have been highly inadequate. The most basic is the GWG statistic, which is so flawed that I don't really need to explain why to this crowd.
From there, there have been attempts to credit players for their contributions to winning and tying goals, which makes sense fundamentally, because those are the goals that make a difference in the standings. I remember the original 1987 Hockey Compendium tried such a thing.
In such a low-scoring NHL, though, just about every goal is important. A case could be made that every goal scored when the game is within three goals is at least somewhat important (maybe even four!). But are they all equally important? No.
If you were down two and you tie the game, that tying goal is very important, but is it much more important than the goal that made it within one? If you are ahead by a goal midway through, and you score again, that goal greatly increased your likelihood of holding onto the lead, but it is not a "game winning" goal... unless, of course, you get scored on one more time. And so on.
We could assign arbitrary values to some goals, like on a 5 to 1 scale, where a 5 is an OT goal, a 4 is a tiebreaking goal late in the 3rd, a 3 is a tying goal, etc. While that would be making an earnest attempt to quantify a goal's importance, it would still be arbitrary.
But I believe we have the data available (going back quite a few years now) to quantify the "clutchness" or "importance" of every goal scored. I think the most important thing to consider is, what was the expected number of points your team would receive in the situation it was in prior to the goal, and what was the expected number of points following it?
For example: Your team is down a goal with 1:00 left in the 3rd. There's a 3% chance your team wins the game at this point. You score a goal. That makes it a coin flip from here. It's 50%. You just made your team's likelihood of a win rise by 47% with that goal.
Another example: It's midway through the 2nd and you're up 3-0. You're 98% likely to win this game. You score again. Your chances of winning just went up to 99.5. Your goal only made the likelihood of a win go up by 1.5%. It is not a very important goal.
Of course, that late tying goal could be rendered meaningless if the other team comes back and scores with 15 seconds remaining, but that doesn't change that the tying goal was very clutch. Similarly, the team down 4-0 could in fact come back to tie it, making that 4-0 goal very important, but that doesn't change that it was very unimportant when it was scored.
It would not be difficult at all for someone with the knowhow, to scour game sheets and create a huge data set that calculates the average number of points earned by a team in a certain situation.
i.e.:
- down by one goal at midway point: 0.67 pts on average
- down by one goal at end of 2nd: 0.55 pts
- down by one goal 14:00 into 3rd: 0.26 pts
- down by one goal 19:00 into 3rd: 0.08 pts
Using the data from that season, you could then definitively state the importance of each goal by the rise in expected points that goal caused. You could then add up any individual player's contributions to important points.
Thoughts? (this has to already be done before, right? I'm not known for my originality)