World Cup: QF: Russia vs. Croatia, 7/7/2018

Discussion in 'Soccer' started by Live in the Now, Jul 1, 2018.

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Who advances?

Poll closed Jul 7, 2018.
  1. Croatia

    70.5%
  2. Russia

    29.5%
  1. nickp91

    nickp91 Registered User

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    So glad sunil gulati was able to enjoy the World Cup
     
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  2. Jussi

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    Source?

    Second bolded part, you do realize they still have the test samples from those games? And people are still getting caught on re-test of those samples? But it's not British athletes, rather Russians that are getting caught on those re-tests.
     
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  3. Duchene2MacKinnon

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    Except for poor Martinez.
     
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    Feel sad but happy for the whole experience. What a game
     
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    There you go: WADA Whistleblower Rodchenkov Retracts Part of Doping Accusations Against Russia
    Lance Armstrong and Carl Lewis say hello. I mean if you perform better than those who test positive then what are the chances you are clean yourself? Exactly.
     
  6. Jussi

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    Sputniknews :facepalm:

    You conveniently forgot this: Russian sports minister admits to doping programme

    You do realize that we're talking a different era? The whole sports world is under more scrutiny than in the 80's and testing is far better and stricter.Also you're building quite a strawman there.
     
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  7. Firsov99

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    Indeed, it was a different era. But then you look at the Florence Griffith-Joyner 100m and 200m record times and realize how lucky some of the 80s athletes were to not get caught.
     
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    Wtf did this thread devolve into lmao
     
  9. Duchene2MacKinnon

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    It's those dame cheatin no good Latin Russian again.
     
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  10. Acallabeth

    Acallabeth Days of glory

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    A great effort by the boys, proud to see that they give their all. It will be a new team next tournament, with no Ignashevish, Zhirkov and Samedov. I obviously hope that Smolov sticks to playing CS:GO and doesn't spit in his coach's trust like he did this tournament. Walking around all tournament, couldn't convert the chances created for him, failed the most important penalty and compared himself to Michael Jordan next :facepalm:

    It always does when Jussi shows up in a thread about Russia.
     
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    Did you expect CNN? Sorry they didn't report on CAS desicion. Seems like you are dismissing CAS report as invalid and same for Rodchenkov's new testimonies. Or you are claming that CAS desicion never took place and Sputniknews made it up even though there is a link to the respective document.

    I don't see where he says about admitting state doping programme. This is his only quote from that "reputable" article:
    It is actually me who should be facepalming now.

    Yeah it is different era now, many athletes perform a lot better these days. British doctor Mark Bonar is from this era and he predicscribed banned substances to as many as 150 athletes. I wonder how many of them tested positive, probably not many. Mark Bonar is gone now and those athletes will seek for another doctor.
     
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    Like the british cyclists?
     
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    Population has little to do with it. It's all about structures. Otherwise China and India would be powerhouses.
     
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    What makes it even more ridiculous is that he was subbed to specifically shoot that penalty.
     
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    I think we need to consider the context to Russia overperforming.

    On seeing the group they'd drawn, who didn't expect them to reach the round of 16? True to expectations, they beat the two weaker teams in the group. Then the one good opponents they faced at that stage played beat them by three clear goals- a wider margin than I'd imagined likely.

    They drew their next two games, effectively playing as the home team. I didn't see the Spain contest, but from what I gather Spain simply passed for passing's sake without clear purpose. If that's correct, little surprise that they struggled to capitalise on their early lead. Throw in an error giving Russia a penalty and the score is all square. And is it really so unexpected for an average team with home advantage to draw against good but fading opponents? After all, Spain were fresh from barely surviving against Morocco, before which they nearly contrived to draw with Iran.

    As for Croatia, they seem to me discomforted the moment they cannot fly under the radar. The world and his dog has been saying this is their best, last chance to win a major tournament and it felt as though that inhibition weighed on them last night as much as it did against Denmark. It can't help that their coach is clearly concerned about the balance of his front six. For all that he scored, introducing Kramaric didn't solve the problem.

    In short, then, Russia played five games, few of which were against opponents in top fettle, and won two. In four hours of knockout football they scored a penalty, a screamer, and a header from a badly-defended set-piece. Spurred on by national pride they were committed, but they certainly didn't overwhelm teams with the sort of late surges that suggest an outfit bursting with chemicals. Indeed, as we approached the 120th minute last night, both elevens seemed dead on their feet.
     
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    On the subject of drugs, let's not forget the spate of players who tested positive for nandrolone circa 2001. A not-comprehensive list includes Fernando Couto, Edgar Davids, Frank de Boer, Pep Guardiola and Jaap Stam.
     
  17. Jussi

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    I didn't even start this discussion. :laugh:
     
  18. Jussi

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    No, just that Russian state media's interpretation of it was selective and misleading.

    You're referring to the case of winter athletes appealing their suspension by the IOC, which I have admitted in other more appropriate threads the IOC went about the wrong way. I'm also not claiming the Russian team at the World Cup was doped in any way, they were just as knackered as the Croatians at the end of the game.
     
  19. cgf

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    While Russians are not the only dopers, there’s a reason why the first joke my russian father made after the match was about how clearly they should’ve pumped more “energy” into the players before ET :dunno:
     
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    It is funny because I went to the corner store and people there were also commenting on how much fresher the Russians looked, followed with looks that said “if you know what I mean- wink, wink”. But they were likely buoyed by the huge home fan support.
     
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    China and India aren't soccer nation's.China is a powerhouse in the Olympics. India is cricket and that might be about it and they are a poor country.
    Brasil lives for soccer and they lost vs a nation that has less then 20x their population.
    Brazil has 5 world cups the most of any nation.imo Brasil losing ve belgiym is very embarrassing.
     
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    Your not a football fan are you? Belgium is in the middle of a golden generation who’s player are all at their peaks
     
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    Oh no doubt that was the major factor, but like my old man likes to say “any joke that isn’t based in truth is just laughable”...
     
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    Belgium has 11 million ppl
    Brasil has over 207 m ppl
    Brasil lives and breathe soccer . If im.a Brasil fan . What humiliation.
    No matter how you break it down or this golden generation stuff. It's an off year for the powerhouses I.e Brasil Germany and Italy (didn't even qualify)
    But France will restore order
     
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    Brazil is not the power it once was. Their last team that was a typical Brazil team was probably in the 80s. I remember when Dunga was criticised for not being artsy enough. And post world cups mean very little too. I wonder which player of the current team has active memories going back to their last win. In any case, it has little to do with the population size of each winner. Uruguay wears a couple of stars "(two or four, take your pick), West Germany won with barely 60m, Russia and the US play a small roll despite being highly populated, Italy has around 60m. It has everything to do with the structures, the chances and if that is about equal, it has to do with coinciding peaks and form of the team. Make no mistake, Belgium loves their footy.
     
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