Qantas Air confirms needed proof of being vaccinated...fallout when others follow suit?

BudRobinson53

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In the travel industry, this has been the thought almost from day 1 / first lockdown. It's the same "comfort" we offer people around us when we where a mask into their stores.

As a traveler you want to be safe and you certainly don't want to cause harm to others around you. Furthermore, this brings great peace of mind to everyone in an airplane as you share a limited, albeit filtered amount of air.

This will just be one more cool looking stamp in everyone's passport.

Bravo to Qantas for taking the lead!
 

Devilsfan992

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I thought airlines were so safe according to all the advertisements I see online? Is a negative test result + mandatory mask wearing not effective enough? Or will the airline not mandate mask wearing because the travelers are vaccinated.
 

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I don't see an issue with this. If you don't like the practice then don't use their airline. It's their airline and they can sell or refuse to sell their product to whoever they want. If there is a big enough market for people who want to fly without a vaccine, the market will create a new airline where no vaccines are required yes?
 

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In the travel industry, this has been the thought almost from day 1 / first lockdown. It's the same "comfort" we offer people around us when we where a mask into their stores.

As a traveler you want to be safe and you certainly don't want to cause harm to others around you. Furthermore, this brings great peace of mind to everyone in an airplane as you share a limited, albeit filtered amount of air.

This will just be one more cool looking stamp in everyone's passport.

Bravo to Qantas for taking the lead!
Serious question. Why not leave it up to individual choice? If, as an example, you've already been vaccinated, why would you even care if another passenger had not been vaccinated? After all, you have the vaccine, so you're protected, right? Am I missing something?
 

Devilsfan992

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Serious question. Why not leave it up to individual choice? If, as an example, you've already been vaccinated, why would you even care if another passenger had not been vaccinated? After all, you have the vaccine, so you're protected, right? Am I missing something?

What if someone physically cannot become vaccinated? Maybe there could be isolated reserved seating for that passenger?
 

Devilsfan992

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That should be the law everywhere

Mandatory Vaccinations should never be a law. Access to public services such as education, or private services such as the thread in topic should be allowed.

I don't necessarily agree with it with regards to Covid-19 given the data we have.

1) Vaccination trials, although approved by scientists, have only gone through a few months of trials. Many people are uncomfortable with being vaccinated this early.

2) The virus mainly impacts the elderly and those who are obese/diabetic/heart disease etc.. Vaccinating these people + health care workers + those who are willing will do a tremendous effort towards defeating Covid-19.

3) Re-transmission of Covid-19 is extremely rare at this moment. Those who have it are unlikely to get it a second time. If this remains to be true, herd immunity can be achieve through vaccination + previous infections.

4) Mask wearing is proven to eliminate the spread. There are other measures people can take without being mandated to be vaccinated.

5) Negative Test Results + Fever checks, although not perfect, can be combined with #4 to help lower the spread.

6) At the end of the day, it's your choice whether you want to be vaccinated or not. If everyone has the opportunity to be vaccinated, then it's your own fault if you come down with the virus.
 
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Troy McClure

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Mandatory Vaccinations should never be a law. Access to public services such as education, or private services such as the thread in topic should be allowed.

I don't necessarily agree with it with regards to Covid-19 given the data we have.

1) Vaccination trials, although approved by scientists, have only gone through a few months of trials. Many people are uncomfortable with being vaccinated this early.

2) The virus mainly infects the elderly and those who are obese/diabetic/heart disease etc.. Vaccinating these people + health care workers + those who are willing will do a tremendous effort towards defeating Covid-19.

3) Re-transmission of Covid-19 is extremely rare at this moment. Those who have it are unlikely to get it a second time. If this remains to be true, herd immunity can be achieve through vaccination + previous infections.

4) Mask wearing is proven to eliminate the spread. There are other measures people can take without being mandated to be vaccinated.

5) Negative Test Results + Fever checks, although not perfect, can be combined with #4 to help lower the spread.

6) At the end of the day, it's your choice whether you want to be vaccinated or not. If everyone has the opportunity to be vaccinated, then it's your own fault if you come down with the virus.
Vaccinations absolutely should be mandatory. The only exemptions should be for those with true medical reasons for why they cannot be vaccinated (those vulnerable people are why getting everyone else vaccinated is so important to shield them).
 

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Mandatory Vaccinations should never be a law. Access to public services such as education, or private services such as the thread in topic should be allowed.

I don't necessarily agree with it with regards to Covid-19 given the data we have.

1) Vaccination trials, although approved by scientists, have only gone through a few months of trials. Many people are uncomfortable with being vaccinated this early.

2) The virus mainly infects the elderly and those who are obese/diabetic/heart disease etc.. Vaccinating these people + health care workers + those who are willing will do a tremendous effort towards defeating Covid-19.

3) Re-transmission of Covid-19 is extremely rare at this moment. Those who have it are unlikely to get it a second time. If this remains to be true, herd immunity can be achieve through vaccination + previous infections.

4) Mask wearing is proven to eliminate the spread. There are other measures people can take without being mandated to be vaccinated.

5) Negative Test Results + Fever checks, although not perfect, can be combined with #4 to help lower the spread.

6) At the end of the day, it's your choice whether you want to be vaccinated or not. If everyone has the opportunity to be vaccinated, then it's your own fault if you come down with the virus.
2 and 4 are false.
 

Devilsfan992

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2 and 4 are false.

In absolutes sure. But in reality, if you're young and healthy the odds are stacked against you.

Covid-19 Comorbidities are the Elephant in the Room

If you’re a healthy 21-year-old, your odds of dying from Covid-19 are about 1 in 100,000 — if you even get Covid-19 in the first place. But if you’re 21 with a preexisting condition, might as well be a healthy 60 year old as far as Covid-19 risk is concerned.

If you’re the parent of a high school student with no preexisting conditions, your child’s chances of dying from Covid-19 (if they even get it) is about 1 in 100,000. If your child is under 11 years old, the odds are literally 1 in a million.

https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/what-to-expect.html

The latest research is showing that aircraft cabins are among the safest of public indoor environments. According to a recent study conducted by the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD), the risk of COVID-19 exposure on board our planes is almost zero thanks to advanced air filtration systems, required mask-wearing and diligent cleaning protocols.

Since airlines began putting these measures in place in spring 2020, “there has been little evidence to date of onboard disease transmission,” according to researchers at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. Their report notes that when the “highly effective” ventilation systems are running from boarding until deplaning, which is our practice at United, the risk of exposure falls below that of activities like grocery shopping and dining out.

And even when the plane is full, on average only 0.003% of infected air particles could enter the breathing zone of seated, masked passengers, according to the DOD study.

 

Pens1566

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In absolutes sure. But in reality, if you're young and healthy the odds are stacked against you.

Covid-19 Comorbidities are the Elephant in the Room

If you’re a healthy 21-year-old, your odds of dying from Covid-19 are about 1 in 100,000 — if you even get Covid-19 in the first place. But if you’re 21 with a preexisting condition, might as well be a healthy 60 year old as far as Covid-19 risk is concerned.

If you’re the parent of a high school student with no preexisting conditions, your child’s chances of dying from Covid-19 (if they even get it) is about 1 in 100,000. If your child is under 11 years old, the odds are literally 1 in a million.

https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/what-to-expect.html

The latest research is showing that aircraft cabins are among the safest of public indoor environments. According to a recent study conducted by the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD), the risk of COVID-19 exposure on board our planes is almost zero thanks to advanced air filtration systems, required mask-wearing and diligent cleaning protocols.

Since airlines began putting these measures in place in spring 2020, “there has been little evidence to date of onboard disease transmission,” according to researchers at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. Their report notes that when the “highly effective” ventilation systems are running from boarding until deplaning, which is our practice at United, the risk of exposure falls below that of activities like grocery shopping and dining out.

And even when the plane is full, on average only 0.003% of infected air particles could enter the breathing zone of seated, masked passengers, according to the DOD study.

Your statement #2 used the word "infect". There's a world of difference between that and the point you're arguing in the above text.

Even then, CDC says ~45% of the population has pre-existing conditions considered high risk for severe covid symptoms.
 

StrangeVision

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In absolutes sure. But in reality, if you're young and healthy the odds are stacked against you.

Covid-19 Comorbidities are the Elephant in the Room

If you’re a healthy 21-year-old, your odds of dying from Covid-19 are about 1 in 100,000 — if you even get Covid-19 in the first place. But if you’re 21 with a preexisting condition, might as well be a healthy 60 year old as far as Covid-19 risk is concerned.

If you’re the parent of a high school student with no preexisting conditions, your child’s chances of dying from Covid-19 (if they even get it) is about 1 in 100,000. If your child is under 11 years old, the odds are literally 1 in a million.

https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/what-to-expect.html

The latest research is showing that aircraft cabins are among the safest of public indoor environments. According to a recent study conducted by the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD), the risk of COVID-19 exposure on board our planes is almost zero thanks to advanced air filtration systems, required mask-wearing and diligent cleaning protocols.

Since airlines began putting these measures in place in spring 2020, “there has been little evidence to date of onboard disease transmission,” according to researchers at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. Their report notes that when the “highly effective” ventilation systems are running from boarding until deplaning, which is our practice at United, the risk of exposure falls below that of activities like grocery shopping and dining out.

And even when the plane is full, on average only 0.003% of infected air particles could enter the breathing zone of seated, masked passengers, according to the DOD study.

Being on the plane isn't necessarily the problem, it's getting to the plane and leaving the plane.
 

Devilsfan992

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Vaccinations absolutely should be mandatory. The only exemptions should be for those with true medical reasons for why they cannot be vaccinated (those vulnerable people are why getting everyone else vaccinated is so important to shield them).

I think non-essential businesses have the right to mandate vaccinations. I also think universities and public school systems also have the right.

I don't agree that every person must be forced to be vaccinated just because the government says so.
 

RosensRug

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Qantas leading the way here isn't surprising as Australia / NZ are going to the the most restrictive places once tourism reopens down the road.

I'm going to be very interested to see if any of the big 3 in the US adopts this policy as well. It wouldn't shock me in the least to see Delta come out as the next carrier to put this rule in place. They have led the way in my opinion when it comes to safety and whatnot during all of this.
 

Snauen

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Vaccinations absolutely should be mandatory. The only exemptions should be for those with true medical reasons for why they cannot be vaccinated (those vulnerable people are why getting everyone else vaccinated is so important to shield them).
And what are the "true medical reasons" ? Are some people allergic to vaccination? And if there are "true reasons" ,are there some "un true medical reasons" too?
 
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Pens1566

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And what are the "true medical reasons" ? Are some people allergic to vaccination? And if there are "true reasons" ,are there some "un true medical reasons" too?

Transplant patients for one, patients actively being treated with chemo for another.

The list for "can't/shouldn't get vaccinated" conditions is miles longer than the "can't/shouldn't wear masks" one.
 

Snauen

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Transplant patients for one, patients actively being treated with chemo for another.

The list for "can't/shouldn't get vaccinated" conditions is miles longer than the "can't/shouldn't wear masks" one.
Ok sounds bothersome that the list of conditions are "miles long" . Hopefully they can prove themselves and their condition when they want to fly whit Quantas then.
And also, what happens if one walks around whit a condition on that miles long list unknowingly, and then go to vaccinate. Jeez, risks everywhere..
 
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Pens1566

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Ok sounds bothersome that the list of conditions are "miles long" . Hopefully they can prove themselves and their condition when they want to fly whit Quantas then.
And also, what happens if one walks around whit a condition om that miles kong list unknowingly, and then go to vaccinate. Jeez, risks everywhere..

Snark aside, anyone in those groups that's been diagnosed should be aware. Can't see many kidney transplant patients jumping on a possible 14hr flight though. Or a leukemia patient for that matter.
 
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