Prospect Info: Prospects and Marlies Thread: Marlies Calder Cup Champions Edition - Pre-Season

[Cor]

Is this really a valid argument that the his coach speaks optimistically and positively when asked to comment about the player specifically? Like there is any other tack a pro coach should take in that circumstance. I'm sure there were times when Keefe spoke positively about former Marlies like Bibeau, Valiev, Rychel, Percy, Sam Carrick, etc. I don't expect him to do anything other than that when publicly discussing any of his players.

Sheldon Keefe would not be the first coach to talk negative about a player if he felt negatively about Bracco.

Bracco worked his ass off last season with the strength and conditioning team at the start of the season to get stronger and faster. He then entered the lineup and had a great last half, with 32 points in 50 games. He broke records in the USNDP, and was a big part of the Windsor team that won the Memorial Cup in junior.

Now because he is off to a slow 10 game start, on a team that as a whole is playing below what they can, people are acting like he's no longer a legitimate prospect.

HF at it's finest.

 

[zeke]

He got benched because of the depth on the team.
Sometimes learn the facts Zeke

sticky, man, I just don't understand why you think nobody should critique any part the organization's you cheer for.

 

[Duke16]

Sheldon Keefe would not be the first coach to talk negative about a player if he felt negatively about Bracco.

Bracco worked his ass off last season with the strength and conditioning team at the start of the season to get stronger and faster. He then entered the lineup and had a great last half, with 32 points in 50 games. He broke records in the USNDP, and was a big part of the Windsor team that won the Memorial Cup in junior.

Now because he is off to a slow 10 game start, on a team that as a whole is playing below what they can, people are acting like he's no longer a legitimate prospect.

HF at it's finest.

For the record, I still do consider Bracco a legit prospect; I just see Grundstrom, Moore, Engvall and Timashov being more likely to be a factor on OUR team. Bracco still likely possesses the highest upside (and greatest risk), but I wouldn't be particularily upset if he was the one to be dealt.

 

[zeke]

OHL	49	21	43	64
16-17	Kitchener Rangers	OHL	27	17	34	51
	Windsor Spitfires	OHL	30	8	24	32
	USA U20	WJC-20	7	3	2	5
17-18	Toronto Marlies	AHL	50	6	26	32
18-19	Toronto Marlies	AHL	10	1	2	3

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Good produced in his post draft year. He was headed for great season the year after being traded, where his numbers fell dramatically. However it seems he was learning the defensive game. Started off slow with the Marlies, then he started to produce.

Bracco has performed since age 17.

that is not the kind of production from an all-offense prospect that indicates nhl success in the future.

 

[Mikeyg]

Sandin is already a better shooter than rielly, classic.

 

[Joey Hoser]

Now because he is off to a slow 10 game start, on a team that as a whole is playing below what they can, people are acting like he's no longer a legitimate prospect.

I've been saying similar things about Bracco since he finished his first year in the OHL. There was a huge dropoff right there from what you would have expected from him based on his play in the US program.

That said, I can see the talent, and expected him to breakout this year. Not looking good so far.

 

[Cor]

For the record, I still do consider Bracco a legit prospect; I just see Grundstrom, Moore, Engvall and Timashov being more likely to be a factor on OUR team. Bracco still likely possesses the highest upside (and greatest risk), but I wouldn't be particularily upset if he was the one to be dealt.

Yeah, sorry. The top line was in direct response to you. The rest of the post was more in general. The only prospects I'd be upset about dealing are Grundstrom, Sandin and Liljegren. Even then, it depends on the deal.

It just seems whacky to me that some are essentially writing off Jeremy Bracco because of 10 games of poor play, when the rest of his play at the USNDP, CHL, and AHL are extremely promising, to go with the work ethic and coachability that Sheldon Keefe has talked about both this year and last year.

 

[Mr Hockey]

I have no problem with a 24/25 year old NHL rookie Bracco on the leafs, at worse he will be a good offensive player for the marlies for a few more years.

 

[Joey Hoser]

Yeah, sorry. The top line was in direct response to you. The rest of the post was more in general. The only prospects I'd be upset about dealing are Grundstrom, Sandin and Liljegren. Even then, it depends on the deal.

It just seems whacky to me that some are essentially writing off Jeremy Bracco because of 10 games of poor play, when the rest of his play at the USNDP, CHL, and AHL are extremely promising, to go with the work ethic and coachability that Sheldon Keefe has talked about both this year and last year.

You're obviously talking about zeke and I, so how about replying to some particular posts? Because I certainly am not basing my position on these 10 games. You're basically strawmanning.

 

[Cor]

You're obviously talking about zeke and I, so how about replying to some particular posts? Because I certainly am not basing my position on these 10 games. You're basically strawmanning.

It's not really worth getting into. It's all opinion based, and nothing I will say will change your opinion. He's an offensive minded player, whose production at all levels speak for itself. His downfalls were his strength and his defensive play. Keefe has been outspoken about Bracco's effort into improving those. Dubas said that 2 years ago, Bracco would regularly make trips from Kitchener/Windsor to Toronto to work with our staff.

So his work ethic is clearly there, the talent is clearly there, the production is clearly there aside from this early stretch.

So unless you think his defensive play is so extremely awful he won't amount to anything, which I'd say it's not, there is no reason to not consider Bracco a legitimate prospect.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

sticky, man, I just don't understand why you think nobody should critique any part the organization's you cheer for.

You and @stickty111 were best buds when people were critiquing Liljegren's play and you said he should have gone top 5.

 

[zeke]

You and @stickty111 were best buds when people were critiquing Liljegren's play and you said he should have gone top 5.

sticky is best buds with anyone who says nice things about his teams.

 

[zeke]

Yeah, sorry. The top line was in direct response to you. The rest of the post was more in general. The only prospects I'd be upset about dealing are Grundstrom, Sandin and Liljegren. Even then, it depends on the deal.

It just seems whacky to me that some are essentially writing off Jeremy Bracco because of 10 games of poor play, when the rest of his play at the USNDP, CHL, and AHL are extremely promising, to go with the work ethic and coachability that Sheldon Keefe has talked about both this year and last year.

but they aren't promising at all.

 

[zeke]

It's not really worth getting into. It's all opinion based, and nothing I will say will change your opinion. He's an offensive minded player, whose production at all levels speak for itself.
.

agreed.

 

[Cor]

but they aren't promising at all.

yes they are.

 

[zeke]

yes they are.

I mean it's just not. it's the kind of production that indicates maybe 3rd line type offense in the nhl. and offense is his only apparent tool.

 

[Joey Hoser]

He's an offensive minded player, whose production at all levels speak for itself.

Yeah, it speaks to a guy that doesn't project to be an NHL player. 80-90 points in junior just doesn't do that. I mean, compare him to a guy like Brown, who blows his production out of the water at every level, and he's always been an exemplary 200 foot player to boot.

I'm not saying Bracco isn't a legit prospect, but he's not close and not one of our better ones.

 

[stickty111]

sticky, man, I just don't understand why you think nobody should critique any part the organization's you cheer for.

Yup people shouldn't criticize Reimer ever, right?

 

[stickty111]

that is not the kind of production from an all-offense prospect that indicates nhl success in the future.

He isnt all offense.

 

[stickty111]

You and @stickty111 were best buds when people were critiquing Liljegren's play and you said he should have gone top 5.

Zeke is still one of my favorite posters. There are just a few topics we dont agree on and thats fine.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Yeah, it speaks to a guy that doesn't project to be an NHL player. 80-90 points in junior just doesn't do that. I mean, compare him to a guy like Brown, who blows his production out of the water at every level, and he's always been an exemplary 200 foot player to boot.

I'm not saying Bracco isn't a legit prospect, but he's not close and not one of our better ones.

Technically, Brown played with McDavid, and then on teams that had like Nylander on it. I am pretty sure Bracco is playing with Grundstrom and Mueller. He should be producing more with them, but it is still nothing like what Brown had. Bracco has a lot more natural skill than Brown, who mostly just plays a hustle game and has some terrible offensive luck in the NHL (along with some sort of mental skill block offensively at times).

 

[TMLeafs17]

Sandin is already a better shooter than rielly, classic.

I don’t know why you need to bash a player to prop another up. Too bad Sandin’s skating and ability to join the offence is about 1/10th of Rielly’s. See how that works? No player is perfect and Rielly is fantastic at getting shots through traffic so take your agenda elsewhere please.

 

[Joey Hoser]

Technically, Brown played with McDavid,

No, he played with Fox and Gaunce. This is a common misconception.

and then on teams that had like Nylander on it. I am pretty sure Bracco is playing with Grundstrom and Mueller. He should be producing more with them, but it is still nothing like what Brown had. Bracco has a lot more natural skill than Brown, who mostly just plays a hustle game and has some terrible offensive luck in the NHL (along with some sort of mental skill block offensively at times).

Bracco played on a dominant championship winning team. They both played on good teams in the AHL as rookies, Bracco was a scratch half the year, and Brown lead the team in scoring by a 13 point margin. Putting in on Nylander doesn't make much sense since Nylander only scored at a slightly higher rate than Brown, and only played half the season.

 

[stickty111]

No, he played with Fox and Gaunce. This is a common misconception.



Bracco played on a dominant championship winning team. They both played on good teams in the AHL as rookies, Bracco was a scratch half the year, and Brown lead the team in scoring by a 13 point margin. Putting in on Nylander doesn't make much sense since Nylander only scored at a slightly higher rate than Brown, and only played half the season.

Brown played a top line role on a team with limited depth. Bracco played a 4th line role on a team with incredible depth.
He wasnt a scratch half the year. Stop making up facts to suit your agenda.

 

[stickty111]

Bracco played 42 games of the last 57 for the Marlies.
"Was a scratch half the year"