Prospect Info: Prospect Discussion 20/21 "It Could Have Been Lundell"

[lhsgolf19]

What is he doing?

Points are not all.

Winning board battles, goes in screens? is pain the ass?

Has showed plenty of skill, strong on the puck, etc

 

[ChadS]

Sam Stange man, I know he has only played 3+ games and has no points... I like what I see

Kid could be a player

Based on the few clips out there he looked like a guy who could potentially contribute in various roles down the lineup, especially with his skating but skill too.

 

[A Few Good Males]

Neiderbach getting more ice time right now. He looks really really good

 

[A Few Good Males]

Okay Lucas Raymond is a star. Great assist there

 

[lhsgolf19]

 

[raymond23]

Lucas is looking better and better each game... I feel like he’s just scratching the surface.

If he can get faster and stronger he’s going to be a problem.

 

[lhsgolf19]

Nice Feed by Joe

 

[cjm502]

Unreal feed! With the time and space he had, realizing the goalies positioning, seeing he had a man open on the other side, and actually making that pass off the boards is an elite play.

 

[lilidk]

Unreal feed! With the time and space he had, realizing the goalies positioning, seeing he had a man open on the other side, and actually making that pass off the boards is an elite play.

You are overblowing what happened, it's hockey , not pool

 

[Stony Curtis]

Looks to me like he was trying to get score there. Either way, it shows good awareness. He always has his head up looking for skating and passing lanes, and that's a great sign imho.

 

[Johnny97]

 

[MBH]

Was looking at best plusminus at Liiga stats today... my god...

Kivenmäki really doing well, Ässät has been horrible defensively, but Kivemäki is +16 -5 = +11.

Plus-minus leader and 2nd in points 16 games, 5+8=13 points.

What I've seen on eye-test, kid is just good consistent contributor every night. Natural playmaker, always. Like, very good hockey pro. Don't know of his ceiling in NHL, but he he just seems to be good, gentle guy, who does not take any nights off.

Hard to see where this team finds room for Kivenmakki given the number of wingers still out there.
Even if Smith/Svechnikov fall flat, right now you've already got:
Mantha
Zadina
Bertuzzi
Fabbri
Still to come
Raymond, Berggren.
Not to mention, Smith, Svechnikov and Rasmussen (if Winger turns out to be his spot) or Soderblom/Tyutyaev/Mastrosimone/Grewe

There's no reason to think he's not as worthy or more worthy than some of those secondary guys - but quite simply, there's a gut of wingers in the organization.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Hard to see where this team finds room for Kivenmakki given the number of wingers still out there.
Even if Smith/Svechnikov fall flat, right now you've already got:
Mantha
Zadina
Bertuzzi
Fabbri
Still to come
Raymond, Berggren.
Not to mention, Smith, Svechnikov and Rasmussen (if Winger turns out to be his spot) or Soderblom/Tyutyaev/Mastrosimone/Grewe

There's no reason to think he's not as worthy or more worthy than some of those secondary guys - but quite simply, there's a gut of wingers in the organization.

And by the time he's ready, it could all be different.

 

[lhsgolf19]

Carter Gylander making his Collegiate Debut



Colgate down 2-0 at the time when he was brought in

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

Regarding level of competiti0n, I think it goes something like this
AHL
KHL
SHL

Swiss-A
SM-liiga
Czech
ECHL
And the rest somewhere below.

Igor Grigorenko excelled in the KHL but couldn't do shit with the Griffs.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Regarding level of competiti0n, I think it goes something like this
AHL
KHL
SHL

Swiss-A
SM-liiga
Czech
ECHL
And the rest somewhere below.

Igor Grigorenko excelled in the KHL but couldn't do shit with the Griffs.

I don't think he was physically ready when he was with the Griffs. He never fully recovered from that auto-accident and what it did to his pace was always going to be an issue in NA. Man was he good before that though, it was absolutely a big three and I remember a time where Grigorenko was believed the best in the Grigorenko, Zetterberg and Datsyuk prospect days.

I think the SM-Liiga is in front of the Swiss league, I would put the German league DEL at this point probably a slot above the ECHL. But I agree with this for the most part. I would flip the KHL and AHL, but I do have the AHL as the third best league in the world in front of the SHL.

 

[MBH]

And by the time he's ready, it could all be different.

I don't think Mantha/Bertuzzi are changing in the next 3 years.
Maybe Fabbri bumps out.

This guy has a long, long road with a lot of people to pass.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Could do it, never know.

If he's close to that place, he could be a nice trade chip.

 

[lomekian]

Regarding level of competiti0n, I think it goes something like this
AHL
KHL
SHL

Swiss-A
SM-liiga
Czech
ECHL
And the rest somewhere below.

Igor Grigorenko excelled in the KHL but couldn't do shit with the Griffs.

Given that many thought he'd never play again after his accident (he was 10% to live according to his agent), and his best seasons in the KHL were after he was at the griffs, its safe to assume that he was still recovering when in NA (and apparently turned up less in game shape than he had been in Russia). Russia's top line was projected as him, Dats and Kovalchuck. Before his accident he was noted for being a really great skater, but after his accident that was one of the biggest weaknesses of his game.

His best seasons in Russia were 4, 7 and 8 years after he left the Griffs, by which time he had largely remodeled his game.

For me a simple ranking isn;t helpful. They are different leagues, and different skillsets flourish. I'd put the KHL slightly higher in terms of standard, but not as useful to NHL readiness.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Our front office watching the youngin's: "Soon, very soon"

 

[Henkka]

Regarding level of competiti0n, I think it goes something like this
AHL
KHL
SHL

Swiss-A
SM-liiga
Czech
ECHL

Which League is Best?

1. NHL
2. KHL (Russia)
3. SHL (Sweden)
4. AHL
5. DEL (Germany)
6. NLA (Switzerland)
7. FEL (Finland)
8. Czech
9. Allsvenskan (Sweden 2.)
10. EIHL (Austrian multi-national)
11. NLB (Switzerland 2.)
12. VHL (Russian 2.)
13. OHL (Ontario Hockey League)
14. ECHL
15. Mestis (Finnish 2.)
16. Denmark
17. USHL
18. NCAA
19. SuperElite (Sweden U20)
20. WHL (Western Hockey League)
21. Czech 2nd level
22. MHL (Russia U20)

That's some latest multi-year average. Changes by time. Nothing is set on stone in the order.

NCAA was surprisingly low. I think that's some statistical fluke. On other analysis it has been better. If they have merged all Division levels together, then I understand it being so low. But that Division I level could anywhere between Allsvenskan and ECHL. For sure better than Denmark or Mestis.

 

[lilidk]

Which League is Best?

1. NHL
2. KHL (Russia)
3. SHL (Sweden)
4. AHL
5. DEL (Germany)
6. NLA (Switzerland)
7. FEL (Finland)
8. Czech
9. Allsvenskan (Sweden 2.)
10. EIHL (Austrian multi-national)
11. NLB (Switzerland 2.)
12. VHL (Russian 2.)
13. OHL (Ontario Hockey League)
14. ECHL
15. Mestis (Finnish 2.)
16. Denmark
17. USHL
18. NCAA
19. SuperElite (Sweden U20)
20. WHL (Western Hockey League)
21. Czech 2nd level
22. MHL (Russia U20)

That's some latest multi-year average. Changes by time. Nothing is set on stone in the order.

NCAA was surprisingly low. I think that's some statistical fluke. On other analysis it has been better. If they have merged all Division levels together, then I understand it being so low. But that Division I level could anywhere between Allsvenskan and ECHL. For sure better than Denmark or Mestis.

DEL to high, Czech should be better than DEL

 

[Henkka]

DEL to high, Czech should be better than DEL

You are late. DEL is a rising power. Will rise higher and higher year after year.

Our best player will be DEL-developed.

 

[ChadS]

Interestingly (or not), Horcoff said in a recent Athletic article that he thinks SHL is the 3rd best league.

Link for subscribers: Q&A: The Red Wings' top prospects, Swedish pipeline, Nik Kronwall's impact

What have your thoughts been of Lucas’ start to the season so far in the SHL?
I think it’s been good. The SHL, in my opinion, is probably the third-best league in the world. It’s a high-skilled league, it’s a very good league. And it’s difficult to produce offense in that league.

 

[Pavels Dog]

SHL is almost certainly better than AHL. The thing is though, some players might struggle in AHL but shine in SHL. Different types of hockey, different size ice. But generally I see SHL as stronger.