Proposal coming?

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  1. Seachd

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    Daly is flexible but he needs something meaningful from the NHLPA. Apparantly, Goodenow is more concerned with playing chicken than preparing a proposal. Get it going Bob and get these guys playing hockey.
     
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    I agree. HURRY UP ALREADY!!!!!!!!!
     
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    If a new proposal is coming, I REALLY hope that the owners accept it, and GET THINGS MOVING!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Goodenow was just on the radio (FAN 590).

    There is no offer forthcoming, the rumour is false. Nothing has changed on either side, and no meetings are planned at this time.
     
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    No no. Owners are inflexible. Players refusal to negotiate is just "the righteous fight of the working man trying to avoid indentured servitude".
     
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    I just caught molsons ''thats hockey'' which had several interviews (Goodenow) and another one with Meehan and Baizely .

    none of the interviews led me to believe that the nhlpa had a proposal coming forth .

    however , the analysts (Mckenzie,brian burke,glenn healy)believed that there will be something (new offer) presented to Bettman before the drop dead date which will be more meaningful than the last one , but wont tie salaries to rev.
     
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    Or there could be a proposal coming, where players would accept a hard cap. :) It could tie salaries to revenues, let's say stating that players get 150% of revenues. Or a salary cap of 500 million US$ per team, including a cap of 100 mill on individual player salary. Surely owners would rather negotiate on this than any luxury cap?

    Or there could be an announcement coming, that the NHLPA members have written a legal agreement where everyone of the current 700-1000 players would agree to pay 99% of their salaries to Goodenow if they agreed to play in the capped system NHL during the next 10 years, for Goodenow to donate the money to charity of his choice. :)

    It's much more useful to just wait until the proposals actually come out in not so distant future, than to speculate in-depth on non-existent.
     
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    Nothing is stopping Bettman from making a proposal.
     
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    Except for the players not wanting to link salaries to revenues? Which is an outright joke, considering NO business in the world can operate without incorporating some sort of relationship between their revenues, and how much they pay their employees.
     
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    It sounds like that until the owners accept that there wont be cost certainty, that instead they must restructure and be responsible, I dont see what offer the PA could put forward. It doesnt really matter at the moment anyway. We all know if Bettman has gone this far, he is going to make that announcement that the season is cancelled. Then there will a short time to make a deal or have something happen. I think the players will put forth an idea that will be better for the owners to accept than reject, although it wont be cost certainty, it will adress a lot of their cba related real problems. The only reason I can think of for the season to be cancelled would be because the owners have a larger agenda. And Bettman doesnt care about hockey fans.
     
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    And yet the NHL refuses to follow this simple business principle. Instead they hide their management incompetence behind fuzzy little innocuous phrases like cost certainty. It is something that no other industry needs legislated for them. Its simply common sense.

    However when players are rich and fans petty, its a phrase that can be used to great advantage in labour negotiations.
     
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    The NFL, and the NBA seem to be doing fine with cost certainty. And I think their owners, and their players would argue its necessary in their respective leagues.
     
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    in my business, which admitadly is only in the low multi millions, we call it a budget.

    dr
     
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    And a budget is where you lay out your revenues, and your expenses right?
     
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    The owners would argue it for sure because they are basically guarenteed profits, but i dont know if the players would.

    Just because more teams on average are turning a profit in the N.F.L. and N.B.A. deosnt mean that they have THE best system! They get more revenue through t.v. cuz it is more appealing to audiences right now and that gives them way more flexibility. If the N.H.L. had a tv contract like these other sports we would not be hearing about alot of the problems we are today.

    Why i think that N.F.L. players are content right now: they have the highest average team payrolls in all of pro sports.

    Why i think that N.B.A. players are content right now: they have the highest average salary in all of pro sports.
     
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    yup .. but i dont make my staff agree to tie their combined pay to what we earn. i set my budget whether the staff or contractors agree to it or not.

    dr
     
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    Other leagues have tied salaries to revenues, why can't the NHL? As far as I'm concerned, if I was running a business, what I was paying my staff, must be justified in relation to what my revenues were, and if it wasn't jusitifed, I'd make sure it was before I paid another cent out.

    IMO, a significantly strict luxury tax system would work in the NHL, and who knows, if the union actually did that, and made a consession or two, then it may get some owners thinking, but for the time being, if they want to believe that they have a chance at anything like the status quo, or their free market system, then they are simply delusional.
     
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    The next CBA will contain cost certainty.

    Hopefully the players are smart enough to negotiate the best deal they can get using that extremely flexible system. Unfortunately, their competitive nature combined with poor leadership from the PA is leading them down a path to their destruction.
     
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    Exactly and the sooner the better. To lose 1-2 seasons and then accept cost certainty is absolutely idiotic. Get it done Bob. You can't 'win' this one. Accept it so your guys can get back to playing hockey and stop mouthing off and looking like morons in the media.
     
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    Exactly, I just don't get where they come off thinking they can "win" these negotiations. Why can't they realize that negotiating the best possible solution now will be a lot more beneficial to them. Hell, they would still probably come out of this better than the NFLPA, and that in itself, is a moral victory for the NHLPA, since the revenues for the NFL are about 4 times the amount of the NHL.
     
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    Here's a news flash, every team already had a budget. Some teams do tie their salaries to their expenses, some dont. There is no one, not even the players stopping these teams from doing this. The real fact is some teams choose to run in the red, and really thats their business. If they want to lose 20 million a years why should the players be forced to stop them? Sometimes the most complex problems have the simplest solution. Dont spend more than you can afford. What Bettman and the some owners really want is to find a way to rope in the stray sheeps. Since Bettman is powerless to do it himself, he's trying to force the players to do it for them. IMO it's as simple as that. Bettman and the people who support the owners can spin it any way they want, but i dont buy it.
     
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    jw, in a world without arbitration that would be easier. When Detroit overpays for a 3rd line grinder if effects Nashville's payroll.
     
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